Ah "silent T' you're the man for me!

**skippa1** · 22nd March 2014, 08:34

Originally Posted by avgas

Fate cannot be chosen. That is why it is called fate and not "possibility".

Replace with outcomes

**avgas** · 22nd March 2014, 08:34

Originally Posted by skippa1

Living in the USA .....best place for you

Do tell why? If its just to get away from you - as you can tell from this forum it doesn't seem to count.

**avgas** · 22nd March 2014, 08:35

Originally Posted by skippa1

Replace with outcomes

Possibilities have outcomes.
You did learn past present and future?

**skippa1** · 22nd March 2014, 08:42

Originally Posted by avgas

Possibilities have outcomes.
You did learn past present and future?

I'm not going to engage for the sake swapping interpretations and or semantics for your entertainment. Too busy.

**BoristheBiter** · 22nd March 2014, 08:42

Originally Posted by avgas

Possibilities have outcomes.
You did learn past present and future?

Here's a question for you,
Should people living oversea's be allowed to vote?
I'm not meaning those on a holiday but those that now live and work in a different country.

**mashman** · 22nd March 2014, 09:02

Originally Posted by skippa1

There is no choice as to being governed.......it's what we do here. You might not like it, you might not agree with it, but it happens anyway.
to vote is to have some say in who governs and how they govern. To not vote, is to accept whatever the majority of voters have voted for.
the difference? One grizzles with just cause, whilst another just grizzles.

Yes there is, there's always a choice and alas, it is what we do here. Choosing to leave the status quo as the status quo brings nothing but the status quo. No, I don't like that I am forcibly governed, no I don't agree that I should be forcibly governed, it doesn't have to happen.
Given that there is absolutely nothing for me to vote for, I don't get a say as to who I want to be my representative. To not vote is the only course left available to me. Yes, to not vote doesn't change the outcome at all and even if I voted for the party who won, the outcome will still be exactly the same, the status quo. But it is most definitely not acceptance and you can bet yer arse I will voice my disapproval at my not having something to vote for that I believe in, moreover I will voice my disapproval towards those who do vote and those who are voted. It is my right and no vote will ever remove that right.
The difference, is that you believe you have some right over me, you don't, none, zero, not a single fuckin iota of power... and all because you tick a box on a piece of paper to maintain the status quo. It goes beyond being a pathetic excuse and an ignorant view point because you are deciding for me and hiding behind a supposed majority that have limited choices. It's hardly surprising the place is such a mess with such moronic attitudes rattling around in narrow minds. Grow the fuck up man.

**mashman** · 22nd March 2014, 09:07

Originally Posted by skippa1

A thinking man chooses his fate

You do realise that that means you have no right to grizzle? You chose your fate, don't cry to mummy when it goes tits. I choose not to vote on principle i.e. thought, yet I am not allowed to grizzle that there isn't a box to tick? Oh the ironing.

**rustyrobot** · 22nd March 2014, 09:57

Originally Posted by skippa1

You can let shit happen to you or you can make shit happen.

opting out simply allows shit to happen to you

Shit will happen to you no matter who you vote for. The fact that you have absolutely no say once the party is in power makes clear what a farce representative democracy is. The party are not held to account for their election promises, they do not consult meaningfully on changes to legislation. Look at the number of people who complain about law changes here, when you read political discussion on this site a number of them are also National voters. Same would have been true if Labour was in government.

There are many ways to create (positive) change in your local environment - ticking a box on a voting form is probably one of the least potent or useful.

**skippa1** · 22nd March 2014, 10:21

Originally Posted by mashman

Yes there is, there's always a choice and alas, it is what we do here. Choosing to leave the status quo as the status quo brings nothing but the status quo. No, I don't like that I am forcibly governed, no I don't agree that I should be forcibly governed, it doesn't have to happen.
Given that there is absolutely nothing for me to vote for, I don't get a say as to who I want to be my representative. To not vote is the only course left available to me. Yes, to not vote doesn't change the outcome at all and even if I voted for the party who won, the outcome will still be exactly the same, the status quo. But it is most definitely not acceptance and you can bet yer arse I will voice my disapproval at my not having something to vote for that I believe in, moreover I will voice my disapproval towards those who do vote and those who are voted. It is my right and no vote will ever remove that right.
The difference, is that you believe you have some right over me, you don't, none, zero, not a single fuckin iota of power... and all because you tick a box on a piece of paper to maintain the status quo. It goes beyond being a pathetic excuse and an ignorant view point because you are deciding for me and hiding behind a supposed majority that have limited choices. It's hardly surprising the place is such a mess with such moronic attitudes rattling around in narrow minds. Grow the fuck up man.

The fact that my opinion does not align with yours does not mean I need to grow up. In fact, to make such a statement clearly demonstrates your lack of maturity. Further.....if your expression of frustration is a demonstration of the political views you hold, we are clearly better off with the current situation than your perception of political utopia.

**skippa1** · 22nd March 2014, 10:22

Originally Posted by mashman

You do realise that that means you have no right to grizzle? You chose your fate, don't cry to mummy when it goes tits. I choose not to vote on principle i.e. thought, yet I am not allowed to grizzle that there isn't a box to tick? Oh the ironing.

It isn't me that's crying, you cry as a result of your choice to abstain from voting. Welcome to consequence

**mashman** · 22nd March 2014, 11:39

Originally Posted by skippa1

The fact that my opinion does not align with yours does not mean I need to grow up. In fact, to make such a statement clearly demonstrates your lack of maturity. Further.....if your expression of frustration is a demonstration of the political views you hold, we are clearly better off with the current situation than your perception of political utopia.

Yet your opinion that I have no right to complain because I do not vote because there is nothing to vote for is mature? I ain't frustrated, I wasmerely covering as many bases as I could.

@utopia.

**mashman** · 22nd March 2014, 11:40

Originally Posted by skippa1

It isn't me that's crying, you cry as a result of your choice to abstain from voting. Welcome to consequence

I don't abstain.

**skippa1** · 22nd March 2014, 13:09

Originally Posted by mashman

I don't abstain.

Well it's some sort of stain

**BoristheBiter** · 22nd March 2014, 13:52

Originally Posted by mashman

I don't abstain.

abstain
əbˈsteɪn/Submit
verb
1.
restrain oneself from doing or enjoying something.

2.
formally decline to vote either for or against a proposal or motion.