Too many new cars?

[ducatilover]

Bro my brother has 2 4AGZE Levins. One Street legal and the other running a Lexus V8 twinscrew supercharger at 22psi. Hes hoping to break 400hp on it this year.
Solid cars.

You should easily pull 400hp from a blown 1UZ with a lot less than 22psi, unless it has an aton m90 on it, then melt that down and make it in to the shape of a poo.
Them Toyota V8s are solid motors, only weak point in them fullas is the valve springs, get chronic valve float if you rev them. Fortunately spring kits are cheap, and then you can make some sexy powah from 'em

[Grashopper]

Agreed. Lost count of how many POS old cars me and my mates have been through. I just can't understand why they just fall to pieces.

Here's a Kodak moment of me heading to the hairdressers to get my party at the back under control.

Lol. You're so unlucky with your cars.

(Can't bling you again either. But thanks for the laugh )

[Mushu]

They're reliable if you fit a decent breather system to them and a fucking maaaahoosive oil drain from the head, otherwise I would not recommend raping one, it's the reason there are countless exploded bottom ends in 16V 4ages.

Yeah, good ol' 20v, like a B16A but with less cute wee motors. I wouldn't mind building a 7age up one day, dump it in an AW and have many, many giggles (and shits...).

Nah no need to modify to make reliable, my 2 and a few others owned by people I know very well have been thrashed daily, some of them with no maintenance at all and have given very little problems. 5 that I can think of having done atleast 200000km between them and none of them have ever needed the head off, mine for example has done 100000km in the 4 years I have owned it (currently at about 265000 on the odometer), most of that around the port hills at night, I couldn't count the tires and brake pads I have gone through and in all that time the only engine related part that I have replaced was the starter motor (and the obvious service items).

The above is the reason I didn't buy a B16A Honda, they are a better motor, but not as strong as the mighty 4AGE

IMO there's no need to fuck around building a 7AGE for a AW, my one was perfect with the silver top in it.

[Mushu]

Just looking at the post I quoted in the previous post and realized you were talking about 16v 4AGE bottom end problems, I have to admit I have seen a couple throw rods but given the amount of 16v 4AGEs that were put into service during their production there's always going to be a few that eventually fail. The ones I have seen blow up were always thrashed hard and seriously under maintained, I have also seen quite a few put up with incredible amounts of abuse, my flatmate about 10 years ago crashed his AE92 and destroyed his radiator losing all his coolant and still managed to drive it at least 20km home with no damage done to the engine (car was repaired and driven another 30000 km before he crashed it again and wrote it off).

[Scuba_Steve]

Speaking of new cars I see the Govt plan on legislating ESC to be mandatory in an ongoing attempt to convince idiots the speed scam works. I have nothing against ESC & think it's probably a good thing, but I do have a thing against it being legislated mandatory; Altho I don't buy new or late model cars so shouldn't effect me too much

[Akzle]

Speaking of new cars I see the Govt plan on legislating ESC to be mandatory in an ongoing attempt to convince idiots the speed scam works. I have nothing against ESC & think it's probably a good thing, but I do have a thing against it being legislated mandatory; Altho I don't buy new or late model cars so shouldn't effect me too much

esc? The top left button on the keyboard? Wonder what that does when youre driving...

[awa355]

esc? The top left button on the keyboard? Wonder what that does when youre driving...

GEEZUSS ! Wayne !! . It's the fucking ejector seat button.

[ducatilover]

Nah no need to modify to make reliable, my 2 and a few others owned by people I know very well have been thrashed daily, some of them with no maintenance at all and have given very little problems. 5 that I can think of having done atleast 200000km between them and none of them have ever needed the head off, mine for example has done 100000km in the 4 years I have owned it (currently at about 265000 on the odometer), most of that around the port hills at night, I couldn't count the tires and brake pads I have gone through and in all that time the only engine related part that I have replaced was the starter motor (and the obvious service items).

The above is the reason I didn't buy a B16A Honda, they are a better motor, but not as strong as the mighty 4AGE

IMO there's no need to fuck around building a 7AGE for a AW, my one was perfect with the silver top in it.

I only build them and set them up, so I probably don't really know at all.

[Mushu]

I only build them and set them up, so I probably don't really know at all.

Not sure what you mean by that, I assume that's sarcasm. I'm just relaying my experience with them as well as that of quite a few Toyota enthusiasts, including a handful of Toyota mechanics. I've blown up more than my share of engines in my time, only one of them was a Toyota engine (3SGE) and the overall reliability of the 4AGE is why including the Levin I have owned 5 corollas and an MR2. (IMO the Levin us the ugliest car I've ever owned, but I still love it.) I do like the Hondas but they just don't take the abuse I've seen given to the Toyotas

[ducatilover]

Not sure what you mean by that, I assume that's sarcasm. I'm just relaying my experience with them as well as that of quite a few Toyota enthusiasts, including a handful of Toyota mechanics. I've blown up more than my share of engines in my time, only one of them was a Toyota engine (3SGE) and the overall reliability of the 4AGE is why including the Levin I have owned 5 corollas and an MR2. (IMO the Levin us the ugliest car I've ever owned, but I still love it.) I do like the Hondas but they just don't take the abuse I've seen given to the Toyotas

I owned many BMW's and they treated me very well, so did many people I know.
Doesn't mean they're good on the whole.
Same goes for the 4age series, it is very well known the 16v blow bottom ends due to not being able to drain oil back from the heads and they pressurise the fuck out of the crank case because they have only one breather up top which is not sufficient.
20v motors are known for oil eating, they glaze the bores very nicely, then the crank cracks. They also make nest to no torque for a 1600, an SR16VE is a better, and stronger motor. The B series (in my experience) is a much stronger unit, and produces more power for less money, and even the scungy 4g92 Mivec lasts just as well, lifter noise included, and goes better.

I have no issue against the 4age motors really, just being realistic about what they are, a nice cheap motor, very expensive to pull real power from and they need to be set up properly to be reliable. It's that simple, talk to anyone who races one

[Mushu]

I owned many BMW's and they treated me very well, so did many people I know.
Doesn't mean they're good on the whole.
Same goes for the 4age series, it is very well known the 16v blow bottom ends due to not being able to drain oil back from the heads and they pressurise the fuck out of the crank case because they have only one breather up top which is not sufficient.
20v motors are known for oil eating, they glaze the bores very nicely, then the crank cracks. They also make nest to no torque for a 1600, an SR16VE is a better, and stronger motor. The B series (in my experience) is a much stronger unit, and produces more power for less money, and even the scungy 4g92 Mivec lasts just as well, lifter noise included, and goes better.

I have no issue against the 4age motors really, just being realistic about what they are, a nice cheap motor, very expensive to pull real power from and they need to be set up properly to be reliable. It's that simple, talk to anyone who races one

In the case of BMWs I don't doubt that there are some that last and maybe you owned and know people that owned a few but surely you have seen the electrical nightmare that often becomes of them after 20+ years of service on the road.

The SR16 may be a good motor but Nissan didn't put them in practically anything like Toyota did the 4AGE. The 4G92 may be a good engine but since I've blown up every Mitsi I have ever owned (often in a very short time frame) I'm against the brand, but in saying that I just may have been unlucky.
I will admit the B16 is a bloody good motor but not way more powerful than a 20v (7kw difference from memory) I worked for Honda and one thing all VTEC motors have in common is they absolutely must be serviced regularly or they tend to run in to any of a range of problems (meaning you need to be careful buying a used one).

The 4AGE may need modification to be viable in a racing application (I thought we were talking about engines for road use) but they have been heavily used in racing so can't be as bad as you say and you have to remember there had to be a few elements of cost cutting in their design for them to be so common.

But at the end of the day it's just differing opinions resulting from differing experiences. You can't deny that the 4AGE in all of its forms is a good quality, cheap motor for road use. With a name like Ducatilover I would expect reliability isn't really a priority for you anyway.

[ducatilover]

In the case of BMWs I don't doubt that there are some that last and maybe you owned and know people that owned a few but surely you have seen the electrical nightmare that often becomes of them after 20+ years of service on the road.

My point exactly.
My BMWs have all been a wee bit older, but never failed me. Doesn't mean they're awesome though, I get to fix a fair few of them. Fortunately they all fail in the same way most of the time, so diagnosis and repair is fast, simple and cheap

The SR16 may be a good motor but Nissan didn't put them in practically anything like Toyota did the 4AGE. The 4G92 may be a good engine but since I've blown up every Mitsi I have ever owned (often in a very short time frame) I'm against the brand, but in saying that I just may have been unlucky.

The SR is still a relatively cheap wee unit and if you get the wanky "n1 spec: one you're looking at 139kw out the box.
I am not a Mitsi fan, myself. They have made a handful of good cars, but they have made an insane amount of poo (like most car makers, really), I had an e39a VR4 and an E33A AMG Galant, and somehow neither of them broke.

I will admit the B16 is a bloody good motor but not way more powerful than a 20v (7kw difference from memory) I worked for Honda and one thing all VTEC motors have in common is they absolutely must be serviced regularly or they tend to run in to any of a range of problems (meaning you need to be careful buying a used one).

Early B16A1 motors pull through the rev range stronger than black tops tend to, B16A2 offer a bigger difference

The 4AGE may need modification to be viable in a racing application (I thought we were talking about engines for road use) but they have been heavily used in racing so can't be as bad as you say and you have to remember there had to be a few elements of cost cutting in their design for them to be so common.

Ever built, or looked inside a race 4AGE? People spend mind blowing money on them to get a reliable 180whp. 160 is relatively cheap enough out of a 20v, but the lack of any sort of torque is just horrible, especially in a race engine.

But at the end of the day it's just differing opinions resulting from differing experiences. You can't deny that the 4AGE in all of its forms is a good quality, cheap motor for road use. With a name like Ducatilover I would expect reliability isn't really a priority for you anyway.

Never owned a Duke, was 16 when I decided to put that as my namethingy
I think they're an okay motor, nothing spectacular for a 1600. And if treated well and run on decent oils, can be as reliable as pretty much anything (cept the 4afe, which likes to put oil back in the sump after it goes to the head, magically reliable fuckers them)
If I built a budget 4age, it would be an FE block, because they're all in better nick, with a smallport head and a set of carbs flapping off it, now that's a cool cheap unit.
The 4agze is a neat little unit, except for the pistons. Tis a shame so many of them never had the oil drain back issues fixed, and have suffered for it

[Akzle]

:grr:
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your welcome

[ducatilover]

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your welcome

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[Tazz]

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