New road racing commissioner required

[scrivy]

All this talk about bears and elephants...... sounds like a feckin circus.......

Soooo.... anyone care to elaborate what the problems are??
If need be, PM me. It'll stay private.

Otherwise I have to spend more hours reading this thread.....

[Robert Taylor]

No-one I know who's actually done the job went in expecting to be a criticism-free zone - Criticism is generally healthy, but I believe what Herr Von Billington is getting at is that there are innumerable critics out there telling each other and anyone who'll listen, that they could do a much much better job

If you ( not you, you know what I mean ) are one of them, GOOD NEWS - now's your chance to prove it

As Shaun correctly pointed out ''conflict of interest'' in being a supplier. The problem is to find anyone that has the neccessary skills, experience and with a sound head and without some conflict is a big ask in such a small fishbowl.

[FROSTY:Me]

My view as outsider looking in (currently) -RRC should be a paid job funded by those who race. But then how do you raise the money needed ?
Incidently Shaun -Thin about what you posted for a minute.
What does billy do for a living?
What rule changes re road race bikes have been introduced that could argueably DIRECTLY benefit Billy?
Do I think for a MICROSECOND that was the reason the rules are being introduced? NOT ON YOUR NELLY!!!!
Every single one is in line with what is standard practice overseas and every one makes sense.
BUT people with the commitment to the admin of the sport and skins thick enough to deal with the flack are really hard to come by.
To rule them out because they might have a conflict of interest means we are left with?
perhaps though if there is a potential conflict of interest then that person should be excluded from voting rights on that specific subject.

[FROSTY:Me]

As Shaun correctly pointed out ''conflict of interest'' in being a supplier. The problem is to find anyone that has the neccessary skills, experience and with a sound head and without some conflict is a big ask in such a small fishbowl.

I just spent ages typing up my reply then you jump in saying the same thing as me

[scrivy]

perhaps though if there is a potential conflict of interest then that person should be excluded from voting rights on that specific subject.

7.2.3 No Officer may vote on any matter in which they or their employer or any closely related party to them has a conflict of interest, including (but not limited to) a commercial interest or pecuniary gain from the outcome.

Already there Frosty.

[FROSTY:Me]

7.2.3 No Officer may vote on any matter in which they or their employer or any closely related party to them has a conflict of interest, including (but not limited to) a commercial interest or pecuniary gain from the outcome.

Already there Frosty.

Well thar you go

[Shaun Harris]

As Shaun correctly pointed out ''conflict of interest'' in being a supplier. The problem is to find anyone that has the neccessary skills, experience and with a sound head and without some conflict is a big ask in such a small fishbowl.

The board currently 5 members

1) Jim Tuckerman MNZ
2) Paul Stewart Manufacturers rep

3) Kevin Goddard, Motorcycle parts salesman specialist- Massive conflicting interests
4) Carmen Davidson
5) Dave Craig

Commisioner Billy ( Currently)

Drop no 3-5 permanently due to conflicting interests and 4 and 5 are just not required to manage a board for Road Racing related buisness. A board of 2 can and will communicate faster and more proffessionaly than 5 can ( In an un paid position) Time is of the essence.

Install 3 commissioners to split the work load and to have a more ballanced say in the things that need changing/managing/updating- NO EXTRA COST involved to MNZ for this.

3 Commissioneers just for the hell of posting

Scrivy------- Not asked
Wharfy-------Not asked
Me- I spoke to him and he agreed too if a 3 man board

7 race classes divided into 3 seperate groups of who to contact re which class you have idea;s/questions for.

1) No conflicting interests from any party of the above 5 mentioned
2) buisness history and passionate people about the commitment for the said rolls

[budda]

The board currently 5 members

1) Jim Tuckerman MNZ
2) Paul Stewart Manufacturers rep

3) Kevin Goddard, Motorcycle parts salesman specialist- Massive conflicting interests
4) Carmen Davidson
5) Dave Craig

Commisioner Billy ( Currently)

Drop no 3-5 permanently due to conflicting interests and 4 and 5 are just not required to manage a board for Road Racing related buisness. A board of 2 can and will communicate faster and more proffessionaly than 5 can ( In an un paid position) Time is of the essence.

Install 3 commissioners to split the work load and to have a more ballanced say in the things that need changing/managing/updating- NO EXTRA COST involved to MNZ for this.

3 Commissioneers just for the hell of posting

Scrivy------- Not asked
Wharfy-------Not asked
Me- I spoke to him and he agreed too if a 3 man board

7 race classes divided into 3 seperate groups of who to contact re which class you have idea;s/questions for.

1) No conflicting interests from any party of the above 5 mentioned
2) buisness history and passionate people about the commitment for the said rolls

Need to get facts straight BEFORE posting - Paul S is NOT a manufacturers Rep, Kevin G is a specialist injection moulding thingy if memory serves me correctly.

As for multiple Commissioners - I had a Commission of 5 incl me, with over 170 years racing experience at Championship level, and that still wasn't sufficient for many on here - good luck with that !!!!!!!

[Shaun Harris]

Need to get facts straight BEFORE posting - Paul S is NOT a manufacturers Rep, Kevin G is a specialist injection moulding thingy if memory serves me correctly.

As for multiple Commissioners - I had a Commission of 5 incl me, with over 170 years racing experience at Championship level, and that still wasn't sufficient for many on here - good luck with that !!!!!!!

facts are correct Budda! Paul S CAN act on behalf of the distributors, and kevin does sell motorcycle related parts. Take a breath buddy, Im just seeing what people on here think about ideas

[scott411]

facts are correct Budda! Paul S CAN act on behalf of the distributors, and kevin does sell motorcycle related parts. Take a breath buddy, Im just seeing what people on here think about ideas

Paul S is elected as the North ISland road board member, he used to be the distributor rep on the board but that position does not exist anymore,

[Shaun Harris]

Paul S is elected as the North ISland road board member, he used to be the distributor rep on the board but that position does not exist anymore,

The way I worded Jim T roll is factual

The way I worded Paul S roll is how I see his roll should be, without the manufacturers support, we have no road racing, and need there input to implement future rule/class changes

[Robert Taylor]

The board currently 5 members

1) Jim Tuckerman MNZ
2) Paul Stewart Manufacturers rep

3) Kevin Goddard, Motorcycle parts salesman specialist- Massive conflicting interests
4) Carmen Davidson
5) Dave Craig

Commisioner Billy ( Currently)

Drop no 3-5 permanently due to conflicting interests and 4 and 5 are just not required to manage a board for Road Racing related buisness. A board of 2 can and will communicate faster and more proffessionaly than 5 can ( In an un paid position) Time is of the essence.

Install 3 commissioners to split the work load and to have a more ballanced say in the things that need changing/managing/updating- NO EXTRA COST involved to MNZ for this.

3 Commissioneers just for the hell of posting

Scrivy------- Not asked
Wharfy-------Not asked
Me- I spoke to him and he agreed too if a 3 man board

7 race classes divided into 3 seperate groups of who to contact re which class you have idea;s/questions for.

1) No conflicting interests from any party of the above 5 mentioned
2) buisness history and passionate people about the commitment for the said rolls

I would care to point out in part that Kevin needs a little defending from what might be viewed as ''massive conflict''. The return that he is getting on the road race related products he is selling is in fact very poor. Especially when you factor in his real costs at attending meetings. Whether you love him or loathe him he is dipping into his economic wellbeing to see people enjoying themselves going round and round in circles
So many road racers forget that the goods they purchase off the likes of Kevin have abysmal markup over landed cost so he cant have Briscoes style 50% off sales. And of course as a legitimate business he suffers the indignity of looking at what people can bring in directly offshore without having to pay clearance and gst. That really sucks and the Government needs to have the balls to redress that issue.
So on balance I think its a good thing that a component supplier is on the commission and absolutely there has to be a motorcycle distributor representative. Especially given that one of the distributors has historically put up a lot of money over the years

[scott411]

The way I worded Jim T roll is factual

The way I worded Paul S roll is how I see his roll should be, without the manufacturers support, we have no road racing, and need there input to implement future rule/class changes

I think they way you mention it, and the way Budda said he ran it with a multi person commission is a good way to do it, I still think you need a head of that commission as well,

Also i think the board should have very little to do with the running of road racing, thats not their job, its the job of the road race comission,

[jellywrestler]

As for multiple Commissioners - I had a Commission of 5 incl me, with over 170 years racing experience at Championship level, and that still wasn't sufficient for many on here - good luck with that !!!!!!!

150 years were yours you old neanderthal....

[jellywrestler]

I would care to point out in part that Kevin needs a little defending from what might be viewed as ''massive conflict''. The return that he is getting on the road race related products he is selling is in fact very poor. Especially when you factor in his real costs at attending meetings. Whether you love him or loathe him he is dipping into his economic wellbeing to see people enjoying themselves going round and round in circles
So many road racers forget that the goods they purchase off the likes of Kevin have abysmal markup over landed cost so he cant have Briscoes style 50% off sales. And of course as a legitimate business he suffers the indignity of looking at what people can bring in directly offshore without having to pay clearance and gst. That really sucks and the Government needs to have the balls to redress that issue.
So on balance I think its a good thing that a component supplier is on the commission and absolutely there has to be a motorcycle distributor representative. Especially given that one of the distributors has historically put up a lot of money over the years

well done, you didn't mention maggie thatcher once in that post...