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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    That's not what he argued. He argued that letting those with the skills and desire to migrate elsewhere go, damages the country of origin.
    Indeed, I thought perhaps it might be a good idea to consider the flip side of that coin as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    That's not what he argued. He argued that letting those with the skills and desire to migrate elsewhere go, damages the country of origin.
    He's right.

    Almost every voluntary diaspora in history has resulted in a society stronger than it's root stock.

    The difference isn't cultural, though, and I don't see that either letting them go or making them stay is going to change poverty in the country of origin. Or anywhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naki Rat View Post
    The real problem is that are far far too many humans on this planet and increasing exponentially. We are currently on the brink of running out of many resources as this film explains exquisitely so improving the living standards of the (4+?) billions of sub $2/day peoples will not solve the problem.

    Where to from here? It's got me beat!
    That's because niggers tend to breed like rabbits. It's common for them to have 5-10 kids each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naki Rat View Post
    The real problem is that are far far too many humans on this planet and increasing exponentially. We are currently on the brink of running out of many resources as this film explains exquisitely so improving the living standards of the (4+?) billions of sub $2/day peoples will not solve the problem.

    Where to from here? It's got me beat!
    It's called rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic

    And the way the earth is going ecologically that is a very apt description of the good ship earth
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    Quote Originally Posted by gammaguy View Post
    It's called rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic

    And the way the earth is going ecologically that is a very apt description of the good ship earth
    It all depends on how you rearrange the deckchairs innit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    It all depends on how you rearrange the deckchairs innit.
    Last I heard the deckchairs went down with the ship

    We need to fix the sailors first then the ship

    The deckchairs will only be needed after that
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    Quote Originally Posted by gammaguy View Post
    Last I heard the deckchairs went down with the ship

    We need to fix the sailors first then the ship

    The deckchairs will only be needed after that
    There'll be no deckchairs left if they aren't secured in such a way that they can be used to keep the "passengers" out of the crews way... but meh, me thinks the captains need a fixin first, well, the admirals etc... coz it won't matter how good the crew are will it?

    Irrespective, if we ain't gonna try to stop the ship from sinking, the quicker it happens the better.
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    The future's not looking all that flash across the ditch if this coloumn is anything to go by.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/internatio...ectid=11211905

    " At home, the official unemployment rate is now 6 per cent, with another 875,000 searching for more work. Morgan, which uses broader measures, puts the jobless rate at more than 11 per cent and a record 2.5 million people either out of work or under-employed.

    Unemployment among 15-24 year olds runs nationally at more than 12 per cent, reaching 20 per cent in some regions.

    Company closures have heightened fears. The loss of more than 15,000 jobs from Qantas, the car industry, Rio Tinto, Alcoa, and Telstra have been announced in the past few months, with tens of thousands more at risk downstream industries.

    The mining sector has already shed an estimated 16,000 jobs, with another 78,000 forecast to vanish in the next four years as construction winds down. Business investment, especially in mining and manufacturing, is rapidly contracting. "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naki Rat View Post
    The real problem is that are far far too many humans on this planet and increasing exponentially. We are currently on the brink of running out of many resources as this film explains exquisitely so improving the living standards of the (4+?) billions of sub $2/day peoples will not solve the problem.

    Where to from here? It's got me beat!
    I always find it funny when people say this. Firstly because it's most likely not true, and secondly because if you really believe it you're free to do the noble thing and kill yourself. But they never do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Gayner View Post
    I always find it funny when people say this. Firstly because it's most likely not true, and secondly because if you really believe it you're free to do the noble thing and kill yourself. But they never do.
    Not much point in killing yourself if you've already consumed most of what you will in your lifetime. Not breeding is surely a more noble act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Gayner View Post
    I always find it funny when people say this. Firstly because it's most likely not true, and secondly because if you really believe it you're free to do the noble thing and kill yourself. But they never do.
    WTF? Personally I think you must have your head in the sand.

    If the world population were to stop increasing maybe we could find ways for the planet to support us. However, that's not going to happen. It is one of the truths of nature that when a population outgrows the ability of the environment to support it one of two things happen - either half the population finds somewhere else to live or the population plummets back to a level that is sustainable. How many more billion people is required for us to reach this level is the only uncertain factor. Oh, and whether we have the technology at the time to find somewhere else to live.

    Secondly, I may not have killed myself but this is certainly one of the reasons I don't have kids and never will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    Secondly, I may not have killed myself but this is certainly one of the reasons I don't have kids and never will.
    You're telling me that the world is overpopulated, and you're saying that other people don't have a right to exist, but you're unwilling to do the right thing and remove yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Gayner View Post
    You're telling me that the world is overpopulated, and you're saying that other people don't have a right to exist, but you're unwilling to do the right thing and remove yourself?
    I'm not saying that any given individual has no right to exist. I'm saying that, collectively, there are two many people on this planet (or soon will be).

    I may not be removing myself from the population but when my wiffe and I do go we will have contributed to population reduction by two plus how ever many kids we might've had.

    Also, I'm not advocating anybody's slaughter. Just a reduction of the population explosion over time.
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