Tightening the line?

[Grashopper]

Repeat after me until sick

Compulsory rider training compulsory rider training compulsory..................

+1

Why isn't it compulsory? Same with driver training.

[AllanB]

Hmmmm interesting thread with interesting suggestions.

Newbie rider overcooking a corner at 90kms and suggesting sticking a foot down? I'd suggest he would probably rip off his sneaker or at least bend his foot back and fuck up more.

Counter steering - agree that if you are riding you are doing it Drew, but the advice with the theory is not without merit as it is something he can consciously try on the road and maybe next time he is overcooking the corner he will remember to give that bar a bit more of a push to get it around.

[skippa1]

Newbie rider overcooking a corner at 90kms and suggesting sticking a foot down? I'd suggest he would probably rip off his sneaker or at least bend his foot back and fuck up more.

Not if they are a quality sneaker.......

[AllanB]

Not if they are a quality sneaker.......

Steel toe and heel plates to make lots of sparks? We used to do that years back when young - fix steel plates to the bottom of our riding boots so they made lots of sparks when cruising thru town. Cops were not so keen .....

[Drew]

You off ya meds again Drew?

Why, you looking for a kick in the nuts?

Counter steering - agree that if you are riding you are doing it Drew, but the advice with the theory is not without merit as it is something he can consciously try on the road and maybe next time he is overcooking the corner he will remember to give that bar a bit more of a push to get it around.

Oh fuck right off.

It is what we do to turn a bike, it doesn't require a conscious effort to slow down what will be the first thing you do when trying to tighten up a line.

Look where ya wanna go, and if you're going to achieve it you will naturally load the inside bar and lean in further.

[Tazz]

If everyone who mentions counter steering who ever meets me, could mention that they are encouraging the active thought of doing it, that'd be grand. Just so I know to KICK YOU ON THE FUCKING NUTS!

Anyone who can ride a bike does it already. Thinking about it is as helpful as a cheesegrater when you're having a wank!

It does not make you sound like you know what you're talking about, it makes you sound like a tool. Fuck up and stop giving advice, you have failed.

If this didn't offend you for having mentioned it, pm me so I can get let you know what I really think.

Didn't offend me but you can go off your rocker out of a PM if it makes you happy. It's what KB is all about

So people who apparently can't ride/are new/want to improve on their basics shouldn't be told they need to do more than just try and shift some body weight around or grab a fist full of brakes? Awesome. What about putting a foot down?
Not going to pretend I know more than anyone on here but as a retarded know nothing noob myself it is lingo that is easy to understand (although I agree you're doing it without being told if you can ride out of the box, but some people don't pick things up as naturally or are going so slow trying to counter steer would put them off the road? )

[AllanB]

Look where ya wanna go, and if you're going to achieve it you will naturally load the inside bar and lean in further.

You mean counter steer .....

Nothing wrong with knowing why and how things work Drew - just like all those porn movies you watched, eventually you got to try out some of the moves.

[skippa1]

Steel toe and heel plates to make lots of sparks? We used to do that years back when young - fix steel plates to the bottom of our riding boots so they made lots of sparks when cruising thru town. Cops were not so keen .....

Or whacking the centre stand down on the old CB900 on the motorway at night

[AllanB]

Or whacking the centre stand down on the old CB900 on the motorway at night

Shit yeah - forgot about those (long gone on most bikes now) - many a fine spark was produced from the centre stand!

Out of interest titanium produces a blue/gold spark ......

[Katman]

Anyone who can ride a bike does it already. Thinking about it is as helpful as a cheesegrater when you're having a wank!

I think you're wrong Drew......again.

Actually knowing that the input you are putting on the bars (and how you're doing it) is what is determining what your bike does is vital to determining how you will react (and how quickly) in the event of an emergency.

I do not believe that everyone who is unconsciously counter-steering already is necessarily aware of what they are doing.

[Drew]

I think you're wrong Drew.

Actually knowing that the input you are putting on the bars (and how you're doing it) is what is determining what your bike does is vital to determining how you will react (and how quickly) in the event of an emergency.

I do not believe that everyone who is unconsciously counter-steering already is necessarily aware of what they are doing.

And I counter still ,that they don't fucking need to.

It is such an automatic response, it doesn't need to be focussed on. It certainly doesn't need to be focussed on by noobs with no fucking clue about a million more important things.

Rider training is paramount to us not being killed or hurt repeatedly, not fucktards spouting about a technical sounding term that a fucken three year old can master in minutes without the foggiest clue of the word.

[AllanB]

If you read the OP Drew you will see that to push the bar than bit more and ride around was NOT a automatic response. Remember the rider is relatively new - posted up here asking what went wrong. Several things obviously but as you and most others have pointed out it was most likely corrected by a bit more rider input. It takes some experience and god forbid training or understanding of what is involved to push past that early 'farrrrkkkkkk' stage.

[Gremlin]

Drew, years of riding, it's easy to assume too much of a learner. It ain't automatic for learners fella. A lot of things ain't automatic.

OP, before you even consider jumping on the thou, consider that returning riders feature heavily in statistics, and you most likely can't comprehend just how fast it can move (ie, your brain won't be used to such rapid demands).

Get yourself on a course, get some mentoring/one-on-one tuition and get some skills before complicating with horsepower.

[PrincessBandit]

Lean more

Push your inside shoulder in more;

Look where ya wanna go, and if you're going to achieve it you will naturally load the inside bar and lean in further.

Kiss the mirror.

[oneblackflag]

I personally found reading up on counter stearing and other riding skills that come naturally, and that I already did; made me much more aware of what was happening through rider input. This has saved my arse when I myself got into a situation such as the OP's.