Aussie immigration policy

[jasonu]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11210330

The Aussie policy sounds fair enough to me. What country wants immigrants that set up in their country and then expect handouts when things don't go as planned. We get that here with Mexicans except this government gives them all sorts of benefits they haven't earned the right to receive. In the past NZ has been pretty good at letting in islanders and others who then proceed to sponge of the tax payer. Good on the Aussies for taking a tough stance against welfare moochers.

[TheDemonLord]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11210330

The Aussie policy sounds fair enough to me. What country wants immigrants that set up in their country and then expect handouts when things don't go as planned. We get that here with Mexicans except this government gives them all sorts of benefits they haven't earned the right to receive. In the past NZ has been pretty good at letting in islanders and others who then proceed to sponge of the tax payer. Good on the Aussies for taking a tough stance against welfare moochers.

I believe the umbrage with the policy is that is discriminates against those who have worked and paid tax.

I would be pretty pissed if I worked 5-10 years in Aus, paying tax all the while, then when I went to claim something like the ACC equivilent (for all that Tax I paid) I got told 'Nah'

[Big Dave]

I went to claim something like the ACC equivilent (for all that Tax I paid) I got told 'Nah'

There is no ACC 'equivilent'.

[Trade_nancy]

Why even worry about their problems....as "ex" NZ'ers - living the life in Aussie - they quit out on us...

[Robbo]

There is no ACC 'equivilent'.

Workplace Queensland covers any work related injuries no matter what your status is.
Great to deal with too.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Why even worry about their problems....as "ex" NZ'ers - living the life in Aussie - they quit out on us...

maybe "quit" is a bit strong. As an immigrant to NZ I do understand the draw of opportunity and bettering myself. I didnt come to NZ to make a ton of money but was drawn to the lifestyle and atmosphere I would be working in.
However if things had not worked out then I would not have expected to be bailed out. Having said that I only gained entry to NZ because
a: I had a skill set not already found in a NZer
b: I was coming to a job, not the prospect of one
c: I was being offered a salary which allowed me to sustain myself
d: My potential foul ups aside, my employer was willing to take me on a permanent basis
e: The police were not interested in me elsewhere
f: I was young enough and healthy enough that I was a good prospect of making a meaningful contribution to, rather than being a drain on resource

Until these criteria were satisfied the only way I could come here was with a return ticket to get me home again. Correct me if I am wrong but my understanding is that NZers can just jump on a plane to Aussie and decide not to come back? Freedom of travel is quite something!
I do see a real issue with no credit being given for having made a contribution to the public purse as is the case here in NZ.
The Aussies are not really likely to change their tack on this so long as so many people are trying to emmigrate there. You only have to look at their approach to refugees to figure out their stance on "rights" human or otherwise.
It also appears to me that this is a pretty well know set of circumstances and NZers who go to Aussie seeking the golden goose should perhaps have thought things through a bit more?
I grew up in Northern Ireland, I wouldn't even have moved to England (another part of the UK) without checking out things like that.

[mashman]

Awwwwwww, how antiquated.

[jasonu]

I believe the umbrage with the policy is that is discriminates against those who have worked and paid tax.

I would be pretty pissed if I worked 5-10 years in Aus, paying tax all the while, then when I went to claim something like the ACC equivilent (for all that Tax I paid) I got told 'Nah'

I guess that would depend on if the policy was changed after you put in the hours of if it was in place when one signed up.

[Akzle]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11210330

The Aussie policy sounds fair enough to me. What country wants immigrants that set up in their country and then expect handouts when things don't go as planned. We get that here with Mexicans except this government gives them all sorts of benefits they haven't earned the right to receive. In the past NZ has been pretty good at letting in islanders and others who then proceed to sponge of the tax payer. Good on the Aussies for taking a tough stance against welfare moochers.

are you fucking retarded?
Bet you even think they steal your jobs, too.

Crackerjews imported a stack of boongas in teh 80s to build shit. (like state houses, for niggers, and murrays that needed more urbanising. Im looking at you auckland)
then, hey wait on, too much boongas. Cant send em back. Fuck. Just tide them over until the market requires some minimum wage labouring work, that no cracker will do because he was born white, and so is above that...

Yay jews!

Citizen earth. Everyone is just people. Except americunts and jews.

[jasonu]

are you fucking retarded?
Bet you even think they steal your jobs, too.

Crackerjews imported a stack of boongas in teh 80s to build shit. (like state houses, for niggers, and murrays that needed more urbanising. Im looking at you auckland)
then, hey wait on, too much boongas. Cant send em back. Fuck. Just tide them over until the market requires some minimum wage labouring work, that no cracker will do because he was born white, and so is above that...

Yay jews!

Citizen earth. Everyone is just people. Except americunts and jews.

But the boongas came over in the 70's under Norm Kirks watch. They were allowed in the put the tops on the colgate tubes and such. Woulda been OK except the rules allowed the worker to bring in his family and as we all know the average coco clan adds up to at least 30. Nek minit... Giddeon Tait and his coppers tried to flush the overstayers out with dawn raids but too late.

[Big Dave]

Workplace Queensland covers any work related injuries no matter what your status is.
Great to deal with too.

Yes. But it stops at work - which I'm guess isn't what the protesters have in mind. :-0

[Big Dave]

You only have to look at their approach to refugees to figure out their stance on "rights" human or otherwise.

As usual Fitz sums what many of us think.

Yes, yes, I know, it is a guaranteed vote winner and a potentially huge boost in talkback ratings if you can demonise asylum seekers as filthy queue jumpers who just might be terrorists.
But, inspiringly, there are still many Australians who treat them the way the vast majority are – you know, like fellow humans, as if they're seriously desperate people who have fled for their lives, and deserve sympathy and support.
A case in point is the mighty Blue Mountains Refugee Support group, who late last year came to the aid of a group of Tamil refugees. The young men had fled Sri Lanka for their very lives, arriving by boat, only to go via Villawood Detention Centre and end up in a dreadful legal limbo, unwanted by two countries and – afloat on a sea of boredom, with barely a paddle to get moving with, let alone be able to work – unable to get on with their lives.
The good folk of the Blue Mountains decided to help them form a cricket team to give their week a focal point, and the refugees instantly embraced the idea.
And when your humble correspondent put a tiny item in my Saturday column saying they needed a cricket kit and a kitty for membership fees etc – as they had neither hide nor hair of either – the organiser, Noeline Nagle, was flooded with offers from Fairfax Media readers who very kindly contributed both. The mighty Wentworth Leagues Club also agreed to sponsor the team, and Ocean 12, as they called themselves, hence took their place in the Last Man Standing T20 cricket comp, from November 19 last year. And the story gets better still.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/...#ixzz2uP7csfvR

[Ulsterkiwi]

As usual Fitz sums what many of us think.

Yes, yes, I know, it is a guaranteed vote winner and a potentially huge boost in talkback ratings if you can demonise asylum seekers as filthy queue jumpers who just might be terrorists.
But, inspiringly, there are still many Australians who treat them the way the vast majority are – you know, like fellow humans, as if they're seriously desperate people who have fled for their lives, and deserve sympathy and support.[/COLOR][/LEFT]

I understand, and the story you told is indeed inspiring and probably indicative of more people than is reported. I guess my post was sloppy in the way I expressed things, by "their" I meant the Commonwealth/Federal Government, not all Australians as individuals. As is the case in many situations and countries it is the government which has to be convinced not the people who put them there. That, unfortunately, is the hard bit, especially when there are sound bytes to generate and votes to be won and held. Bizarre aye?

[Robbo]

Yes. But it stops at work - which I'm guess isn't what the protesters have in mind. :-0

Agreed Dave, they seem to be complaining about the lack of handouts. They should be concentrating on getting jobs instead as there are plenty of jobs available for those that want to work and most employers will take on Kiwis because of their work ethics.
Also there are plenty of Insurance companies where you can get your own medical insurance and loss of income insurance policies so that would solve any concerns. It's not all that expensive and sure worth it for the lifestyle. If none of that suits them then they should go back home.

[Big Dave]

I understand, and the story you told is indeed inspiring and probably indicative of more people than is reported. I guess my post was sloppy in the way I expressed things, by "their" I meant the Commonwealth/Federal Government, not all Australians as individuals. As is the case in many situations and countries it is the government which has to be convinced not the people who put them there. That, unfortunately, is the hard bit, especially when there are sound bytes to generate and votes to be won and held. Bizarre aye?

Actually I even think the overall Refugee and Foreign Policy is essentially OK.
They took 13,000 refugees in 2011 - mostly relocated from the other countries who had granted refugee status to the poor sods, and they dole out $5 Billion in foreign aid annually.
But what Tony and his crew have their speedos inexplicably in a twist over is 'due process'.
Most of these people are running for their lives FFS - but no - you must do the proper paperwork. That's the well fucked up bit.