Especially if you watch that shit on RTOriginally Posted by mashman
What can I tell ya, the world's a complete basket case. TV is more powerful than the gun
Hardcore Biker
Especially if you watch that shit on RTWhat can I tell ya, the world's a complete basket case. TV is more powerful than the gun
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Especially if you watch that shit on RTIt only counts if you believe it.
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
Hardcore Biker
I suppose, but people still reference it!
Royal Enfield user
I get mine from fox news
"Look, Madame, where we live, look how we live ... look at the life we have...The Republic has forgotten us."
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Perhaps they should reference their brain with the new information and apply Occam's razor like me
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They're really bad actors.
Royal Enfield user
Uncle ronnie was an actor
"Look, Madame, where we live, look how we live ... look at the life we have...The Republic has forgotten us."
Aio ki te Aorangi
They're technically his bastard love children?
Forum whore
In command of the "troops" seems to be Igor Strelkov and Fyodor Berezin. Most of their weapons including tanks, up til now have been captured or otherwise obtained from Ukraine depots and troops, some of whom have been "coming across to the seperatist side". More stuff is increasingly being "found", close to the border - the more sophisticated anti aircraft stuff and the like.......and conflict, like a candle flame to moths, is drawing mercenaries to both sides! there is currently no indication of hard Russian troops coming across - Putin is playing a walk the tightrope game...the US and Nato are being more blatant about it....approx 300 US "advisors".Fair call. Poroshenko's ceasefire lasted 10 days and the seperatists in this time really didn't cease much firing. Nor did the Ukies Although perhaps some of their 'leaders' said they had agreed to the ceasefire, it is clear that their is no real chain of command - they're a bit of a mess propped up by Russian weapons.
Ukraine is basically broke, due to the depredations of oligarchs bleeding the place dry. they still owe over $2B in unpaid gas bills and have been illegally tapping into the line to maintain supply. That's why Russia is trying to build another line through Bulgaria - until the US leaned on them to get them to stop the line. It's all insane politics, and everyone in the middle is being stiffed!
Krim was never going to be let go by the Russians - being one of their largest naval bases and having up to 20,000 troops stationed there at any one time (by agreement with Ukraine) There were officially 16,000 there when the takeover happened. A 97% vote does seem to be within the bounds of most massaged votes - I guess if the "noes', don't vote, or aren't allowed to vote, this will happen. Most authoritarians like a nice 96-99% vote in their favour!
Earlier report on Kramatorsk....
13 – Militiaman’s Report on the Situation in Kramatorsk, June 29, 2014, 12:28
In Kramatorsk, there is hunger due to nonpayment of pensions and wages. The biggest problem in Kramatorsk now is not the shelling, but hunger. And, to boot, people cannot leave the city. They hoped that payments of pensions and wages would be resumed, and stayed here. And now they stayed too long – they have nothing now. Buses are being organized, some have been evacuated, but people are afraid to travel without money. They have been promised they would be fed, but a man can’t believe [promises] blindly, and that’s why people have stayed here.
Only about 1% of what Kramatorsk needs is delivered by means of humanitarian aid. Half of the city’s population, or about 100 thousand people, remain in the city; they need food. And all we get is a ton [of foodstuffs] a day.
The Ukrainian army cut off all the humanitarian corridors three days ago, and if, before, vans with cereals would arrive from Russian, we have not received any in several days. Grandmothers come to us, they say that they have not eaten anything but cherries and mulberries in a week. People have not been paid for two months. It’s good that it’s summer now, not winter, or we would have another Leningrad on our hands. And in Slavyansk everything is worse, by an order of magnitude.
Last night there was a skirmish near the airfield, then, from one until two in the morning, the city was shelled from the Meloviye Mountains. We have no information regarding victims.
“- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”
Highway Biker
Why? Should Russia supply gas to Ukraine for free?
Could you please expand on how Russia used its military to take Crimea (where was the Ukrainian military when this was happening) and where did Putin admit it. Also, please provide some proof regarding letting weapons through.
Really? How was it legitimised then?
Where were those "separatists" in Mariupol and Odessa?
They say it iaw russian grammar.
When did Russia invade Ukraine?
Please provide some proof of that referendum being conducted at gunpoint because the OSCE and the UN are not aware. If you can't see it happening (especially taking into account the unconstitutional coup) that is your problem, not theirs.
Could you please expand on that as well, or is it shit just because it does not agree with you?
Cras ingens iterabimus aequor.
Come warm yourself by the fire
Tatar's now have the ability to "cross the bridge" to return to the other Tatar regions. Before they had a horrible immigration setup.
Problem was not really being Ukrainian - was being European. For everything the Russians took - the Europeans doubled the trouble.
Crimea/Ukraine had 2 masters. Crimea actually had 3 masters if you consider that many Ukrainians considered Crimea a grey area.
Which is why when it did "give up" many "Ukrainians" would spout the phrase "Crimea is Crimea, they are not Ukraine" meaning the damage was done prior to the whole event. Pretty much Portugal on a different level.
Not saying the Russian take-over was the best thing. But I can see their point - now they server only 1 master, rather than 3.
Also check your stats. The voting form didn't have the option to remain part of Ukraine. It was a) Join Russian and b) Remain Independent.
So they would have had to abstain from question one, and select b to have to option to be connected to Ukraine, but as an independent state.
But as mentioned, the damage was already done, so Crimea would have become an independent state of Ukraine, or Russia or Even its own country.
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My apologies, I'm tapping this out over breakfast and I"m late for work so if there may be many typos.
They shouldn't. But they shouldn't sign a gas deal with Ukraine where by Ukraine gets a discount on gas in return to letting the Black Sea Fleet sit in Crimea, and then invade Crimea opportunitistically later. This isn't the 19th century.
All those little green men with Russian military equipment were Russian military bro.
"We had to take unavoidable steps so that events did not develop as they are currently developing in southeast Ukraine," Putin said in a televised call-in with the nation. "Of course our troops stood behind Crimea's self-defence forces."
Russia gave it to Ukraine? It's been Ukraine almost half a century? Every country on the planet (including Russia) accepted this and even signed agreements on this.
There are reports literally bus loads of "angry Ukrainians" turned up from Transnistria in Odessa. I'm sure locals were involved too, I'm not denying that.
Of course it's grammar. But I have heard it myself in person when Russians have intentionally used the wrong one infront of Ukrainians. They don't have an excuse like most westerns do when we say "The Ukraine." Urrrrgh.
Ffs.
Many people were scared to even vote in it.
There are stories bouncing around the net about reporters being told what to report, literally someone turns up and says "You must write a report about how Germany's economy is dying" etc. The thing that pisses me off the most is when they do a report on some recent event, lets say an American ship sailing into the Black Sea, and there "guest expert" is always some random american blogger with no credentials other than he bought a domain name and can type, and the videos they show beside it are videos not related at all of jet fighters landing on air craft carriers. It's pure sensationalized crap to appeal to the ignorant.
Yes you are right about the referendum. My point was: in 2013 Crimeans were increasing becoming more supportive of staying as they were as part of Ukraine, and then bam, it all changes instantly. That doesn't fly with me.
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I don't know about that - I don't watch much RTand there "guest expert" is always some random american blogger with no credentials other than he bought a domain name and can type
The bloggers from america I follow certainly have credentials - some stretching back a long way
This guy is interesting - having lived in Kiev and Odessa for several years until quite recently....although you may consider him slightly biased.
http://grahamwphillips.com/2014/05/0...sonal-tribute/
Today, the Ukraine army is doing it's best to flatten Donetsk and Lugansk, with concerted artillery and airpower strikes against the cities. It's all very well saying the "separatists shouldn't "hide' in the towns, but that's never been an option throughout recorded history. It also shows the total disdain the Kiev government has for Donbass!
Ukraine, however, is just another pawn in the "game" being played out by the US against Russia, China and to a lesser extent, Iran & North Korea - the only countries that can stand, or are currently standing against US hegemony over the world! Like Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Somalia etc, it is of no account to the amoral criminals running this world!
“- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”
Hardcore Biker
Although civilian buildings have been hit I think the Ukrainian military has shown restraint and tried not to "flatten" cities. If you want to see a flattened city look up Grozny during the Chechen War. I'm not saying the military in Ukraine hasnt unfortunately hit some civilian infrastructure or apartments, but I think if the Ukrainian army could quite happily flatten a city from afar if that was the aim.
I'll check the blog out, cheers.
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Problem is that the higher ranks in the Ukraine Army are fookin useless too.
So the Army have to hit the buildings when shot on during the ceasefire otherwise they would have kept getting shot. Now the ceasefire is off, it is better for them because they can just do a warning spray and the Russian separatists will do the same......both keeping their distance and no bombing.
As for Kiev. That place was fucked to begin with - or did we all forget the 6 month protest from last year that wasn't able to remove the prior government.
Ukraine wanted change, they got it. It might not have been the change they wanted - but that's how these things happen.
History should have taught them something.
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