The Ukraine

[SPman]

The MSM radio is constantly on with -"Russia invades Ukraine", Ukraine forces are advancing and driving the rebels back, Russia has to stop or NATO, Europe, the UN will have to be tougher, etc etc, ....yet

All the reports from Novorussian sources agree that the Ukie forces are either surrounded or in full retreat. But Ukies sources also confirm this. In Kiev, angry demonstrations by nationalists accuse the military high command of minimizing the real casualty figures, of having abandoned the forces fighting in the Donbass. Even Oleg Liashko has stated that the Ukie forces have been "betrayed". Demonstrations have taken place in from of the Ukie General Staff which many Right Sector protesters which are demanding the creation of a "generals battalion" which would be formed of only generals who would be sent to fight personally (an excellent idea, which I fully approve of!).
Others are also demanding the resignation of the Ukie Minister of Defense. Ukrainian woman are regularly stopping military convoys on the roads, often by standing or lying down in front of trucks, to prevent their men from being sent to death. Entire Ukie battalions are deserting from the front and Special Forces are sent to stop them. Apparently, the Ukie police is afraid to arrest the soldiers for desertion because of their large numbers.
The city of Mariupol is now surrounded and the local political elites and SBU personnel have fled. Poroshenko cancelled his trip to Turkey and gathered his Security Council. Kolomoiski, who controls the southwestern Ukraine, did the same thing with his own Security Council (yes, since he has his own army, is also has his own security council). Tymoshenko wants the introduction of full martial law. The male population up to 60 is now conscripted (though not called up as far as I know). Iatseniuk and Poroshenko have both demanded that NATO intervene and accept the Ukraine as some special ally

and that demented head of NATO, is running around demanding Russia stop being Russia! Obama is spouting off about "irrefutable proof" that Russia is sending in troops and tanks, but won't release any of this "proof". Apparently Yalta has fallen to the NPA.

Putin met with Poroshenko and the EU leaders and delivered them a very simple yet stark message: "don't talk to us, we are not a party to the conflict - talk to the Novorussians". Furthermore, the Russians are also officially sending in a second aid convoy and they have announced that this will not be the only one.
In the UN Security Council the Russian Representative, Vitalii Churkin, has dared the Ukie Rep to explain where the recording of the conversations between the Kiev ATC and MH17 were hidden and why.....Mariupol will probably fall very soon. There are increasing reports of partisan movements in Zaporozhie and that, if true, is something very interesting which might begin to affect other areas and cities such as Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk

[yokel]

The MSM radio is constantly on with -"Russia invades Ukraine", Ukraine forces are advancing and driving the rebels back, Russia has to stop or NATO, Europe, the UN will have to be tougher, etc etc, ....yet



and that demented head of NATO, is running around demanding Russia stop being Russia! Obama is spouting off about "irrefutable proof" that Russia is sending in troops and tanks, but won't release any of this "proof". Apparently Yalta has fallen to the NPA.

I'm sure the bank's oops I mean the USA's preemptive strike foreign policy will bring peace to the world haha

[yokel]

get ready to hold on to your tinfoil hats people

[awa355]

40 seconds of this guy was 50 seconds too much. His message may well be factual but no way I could watch his presentation style.

[yokel]

What's more important, the packaging or
the contents?

[Katman]

40 seconds of this guy was 50 seconds too much. His message may well be factual but no way I could watch his presentation style.

Well that's a shame because it's quite an eye opener.

[SPman]

"The separatists are backed, trained, armed, financed by Russia. Russia determined that it had to be a little more overt in what it had already been doing, but it's not really a shift."
Barak Obama, 29 August 2014.

"If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.”

Joseph Goebbels

Interestingly, most of us who are seeking the truth are primarily attempting to undo the lies - lies umpteen times repeated, lies about Russian invasions, first proclaimed by Poroshenko, Ukraine’s oligarch leader (sic), lies of Russia not respecting Ukraine’s sovereignty, demonization against President Putin, Malaysian airliners downed by Russia – and-so-on. The latest accusation is that JP Morgan and four other Wall Street banks have been hacked. And the culprit is…. Of, course Russia, according to the MSM.

It doesn’t matter whether what Poroshenko said and is repeated the world over was based on a translation error (according to the German Tagesschau, the German mainstream TV news) – or whether it is just a conventional lie continuously repeated until it becomes the truth à la Goebbels – the western bought propaganda machine takes full advantage of this hundreds of years old simple strategy of deception.

The interesting part, however, is that hardly anyone on that very occasion is presenting the counter-weight, so to speak, namely to what extent Kiev is assisted by US paid mercenaries, CIA military and strategic advisers and their equipment, all paid for in one way or another by the State Department, CIA, or NATO. And these are facts. Not inventions for deception.

Russian troops fighting for the east - indubitably, Chechens as well - that balances out the Polish and other troops fighting for Ukraine - except the Russian and Chechen troops are far more capable.....

[mstriumph]

BOTH sides of this squabble have such disgusting track records, historically, for treating people REALLY badly ...
and all those supporting them have such disgusting motives for so doing
that, personally, I'm with whatsisname on this one
"What a pity there can be only one loser...."

[Brian d marge]

get ready to hold on to your tinfoil hats people

not sure about the Jews but the rest of it was on the money

oh cant spread love blah blah

Stephen

[mashman]

BOTH sides of this squabble have such disgusting track records, historically, for treating people REALLY badly ...
and all those supporting them have such disgusting motives for so doing
that, personally, I'm with whatsisname on this one
"What a pity there can be only one loser...."

The track record doesn't really matter. It serves no purpose other than to justify the continuance of their behaviour. This is just another engineered war, they all are... some economies grow because of war . Unfortunately tens of millions of people lose in the short term, and for those who have probably fought in similar wars, for what is the rest of their lives. The wars are wanted, the people are an acceptable loss because there is a global economy to fuel and that requires resources from elsewhere.

"See the world on a grain of sand."

[admenk]

The wars are wanted, the people are an acceptable loss because there is a global economy to fuel and that requires resources from elsewhere.

What an incredibly sad, but very true statement

[mstriumph]

The track record doesn't really matter. It serves no purpose other than to justify the continuance of their behaviour. This is just another engineered war, they all are... some economies grow because of war . Unfortunately tens of millions of people lose in the short term, and for those who have probably fought in similar wars, for what is the rest of their lives. The wars are wanted, the people are an acceptable loss because there is a global economy to fuel and that requires resources from elsewhere.

"See the world on a grain of sand."

horribly true
we should all go on strike and refuse to (strike, that is .... sorry, black humour)

when are we, the people going to stop dancing to the tunes of those with vested interests in getting us killed.

There is no such thing as an acceptable loss

[yokel]

horribly true
we should all go on strike and refuse to (strike, that is .... sorry, black humour)

when are we, the people going to stop dancing to the tunes of those with vested interests in getting us killed.

There is no such thing as an acceptable loss

yeah but we wont do fuck all until it happens in our own back yard, by then it'll be too late

[mashman]

What an incredibly sad, but very true statement

That's a financial economy for ya.

horribly true
we should all go on strike and refuse to (strike, that is .... sorry, black humour)

when are we, the people going to stop dancing to the tunes of those with vested interests in getting us killed.

There is no such thing as an acceptable loss

I reckon a coup could be more fun

If only it were up to the people. Let's see what the next election brings.

[awa355]

Wadda ya reckon? 3 months before this is an all out NATO V Russia brawl? Regardless of the lies and other bullshit this isn't going to die down any time soon.