The Ukraine

**Brian d marge** · 19th December 2014, 14:53

Originally Posted by SPman

A good article by Dennis Kucinich (former US Congressman), about how 3 people voted in the next round of Russia sanctions when there was no one else there.......

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/12/n...aroo-congress/

would have been easier to have elected shonkey
he would have sold the assets and a police state within in minuites of his arrival
anythink 1 km per hour over the limit . . thats a paddling
the ukraine would be back in surplus within one election cycle

Duck and Cover Propaganda Film 1950's: http://youtu.be/N_1jkLxhh20

**R650R** · 19th December 2014, 15:15

You cant trust the bloddie frenchies...... They better plant some more palm trees so the Spetsnaz can march in the shade like the germans did....

"The 400 Russian sailors who arrived at the port of Saint Nazaire to learn how to operate Russia’s first Mistrals, the Vladivostok and Sevastopol, departed for Russia on Thursday aboard the training frigate Smolny. The Mistral-class warship delivery was due to take place on October but it was blocked by the French government due to EU and U.S. imposed sanctions on Russia over the conflict in Ukraine. It remains unclear whether France will deliver the ships to Moscow."

**R650R** · 19th December 2014, 15:16

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...economy-crisis

"Unsurprisingly, he also used the conference to rail against the west. Had Russia not annexed Crimea earlier this year, Putin said, the west would have found another reason to target his country, which he compared to a bear.

“Sometimes I wonder, maybe the bear should just sit quietly, munch on berries and honey rather than chasing after piglets, maybe then, they would leave it alone? But no, they wouldn’t, because they will always try to chain it up. And as soon as they chain it up, they will pull out its teeth and claws.”

By teeth and claws, Putin said he meant Russia’s nuclear weapons. The west was circling round to destroy Russia, so it could steal its natural resources, he continued. “Once they’ve taken out his claws and his teeth, then the bear is no longer necessary. He’ll become a stuffed animal.” "

**oldrider** · 19th December 2014, 15:47

Originally Posted by SPman

A good article by Dennis Kucinich (former US Congressman), about how 3 people voted in the next round of Russia sanctions when there was no one else there.......

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/12/n...aroo-congress/

Positive proof IMHO that we have been bullshitted into believing that we are represented by the "good side" of this manufactured conflict!

NZ's government will back the same horse and take us into total involvement and commit our children and grandchildren to the inevitable slaughter fields FFS!

Fuck the two faced warmongering USA government and their seedy underhand backers

Have we learned nothing at all from the past?

**mashman** · 19th December 2014, 17:25

Originally Posted by SPman

A good article by Dennis Kucinich (former US Congressman), about how 3 people voted in the next round of Russia sanctions when there was no one else there.......

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/12/n...aroo-congress/

... you get the society you pay for.

**Brian d marge** · 19th December 2014, 17:46

Originally Posted by mashman

... you get the society you pay for.

i didnt contribute

least not voluntary. . .

**oldrider** · 21st December 2014, 08:21

USA blame Russia for downing plane without evidence - now they are blaming North Korea for hacking without evidence!

Playing the blame game without evidence and brow beating the world with their controlled media is getting to be a bit tiresome!

Meanwhile on the face of these accusations they (USA) just keep on ratcheting up the noose on personal liberties and freedoms!

Then by using their power position in international trade agreements they literally force their trade partners and allies to follow their lead!

World domination by stealth - who needs enemies with friends like them?

**R650R** · 21st December 2014, 08:43

Just remember what SONY stands for - standard oil of New York owned by guess who.......
And you have to love the name "Beaurau 121" oh so western.... and fake whe've all seen the stcikers on import bikes... if the Koreans did have an army of super hackers they would more likely be called:
Hak Suk Data Gone..... or Sonic Code Masterrate sideload.... etc

This is so fake, one of the crappier studios in Hollywood brings out a movie where the target audience are beer drinking morons anyway and they think Korea would care????
If they really wanted to hack and do damage they would make a deal with China who has backdoors into all the supplied computer chips sold to American defence contractors... Now Obama would be shitting bricks if every F35 suddenly had Gangnam style playing on the headsup display

**puddytat** · 21st December 2014, 14:39

Psssst....

The John & Gerry show will announce within this term that they will talk with the Wanks on setting up a Wank base here.....
For our security of course & also their corporate interests in the TPPA.

So a little dickybird told me

**oldrider** · 21st December 2014, 14:42

Originally Posted by puddytat

Psssst....

The John & Gerry show will announce within this term that they will talk with the Wanks on setting up a Wank base here.....
For our security of course & also their corporate interests in the TPPA.

So a little dickybird told me :wink:

I think that little dicky bird must be a biker - he sure gets around!

**Swoop** · 21st December 2014, 15:24

Originally Posted by oldrider

USA blame Russia for downing plane without evidence - now they are blaming North Korea for hacking without evidence!

There is plenty of evidence of north Korean and also chinese hacking. Getting anything done about it is a different matter entirely. Electronic footprints are left after an attack.
Mirrin college is the main centre and breeding ground for this type of individual, who is employed directly or "contracted" to their government.

In the US an entire "electronic" military command was established a few years back, USCYBERCOM. The USAF has their own as well now.

Sadly there is more going on in cyberspace than we will ever learn about. The chinese have their internet monitors who keep an eye on what the population is up to, on their heavily restricted internet. We are talking about quite a few people here... well into the millions.

Originally Posted by R650R

Now Obama would be shitting bricks if every F35...

China is currently flying an aircraft that looks identical to the LM-F35. Hacking has provided all of the details for that, along with a list of other aircraft and military hardware. A recent sat photo shows an F-117 on a chinese airfield.

**avgas** · 21st December 2014, 16:10

Originally Posted by R650R

Just remember what SONY stands for - standard oil of New York owned by guess who.......
And you have to love the name "Beaurau 121" oh so western.... and fake whe've all seen the stcikers on import bikes... if the Koreans did have an army of super hackers they would more likely be called:
Hak Suk Data Gone..... or Sonic Code Masterrate sideload.... etc

This is so fake, one of the crappier studios in Hollywood brings out a movie where the target audience are beer drinking morons anyway and they think Korea would care????
If they really wanted to hack and do damage they would make a deal with China who has backdoors into all the supplied computer chips sold to American defence contractors... Now Obama would be shitting bricks if every F35....

While I think the hack is fake I think your facts are wrong even more so.

So lets just clear this up.
Sony - http://www.snopes.com/business/names/sony.asp
Bureau 121 - this is the "translation". Note that China has one also PLA Unit 61398. PLA Units often have names that mean more Asian. Like striking panda's of ultimate glory. But I am sure "Bridge over trouble waters" would sound as scary as Bureau 121. Note also that everyone knows stuxnet........but no one no's the US govt division that did the manual hack through it after stuxnet was released. Just that it was NCSD project. Stuxnet sounds cooler. Made my life a living hell for 2 years.

They are already shitting bricks on F35. The lists of faults is bottomless from people having to fly blind due to instruments only being in HUD's and the HUDs failing, to the plane not able to fly in the rain/lightning. Also the HUD has a motion delay so if you turn your head to fast it flickers.
But doesn't mean its not sexy.

**avgas** · 21st December 2014, 16:15

Originally Posted by Swoop

The chinese have their internet monitors who keep an eye on what the population is up to, on their heavily restricted internet. We are talking about quite a few people here... well into the millions..

265,000 employees at the great firewall of china last time I checked (2009). You can probably have same again in proactive attacks.
US is catching up though. 40,000? Not that it matters as most of the US stuff is automated.

They know how to hack TOR now too.