The Ukraine

[oldrider]

Ukraine bans communism & Nazism, celebrates UPA nationalists as 'freedom fighters'... @ban hammer irony. Ultra right whinge dipshits banning themselves.

All fine bi-products of the USA interfering in Ukraine politics to set NATO against Russia in order to weaken Russia and Russian backing of Syria Iran and Egypt etc!

Powerful influence over USA congress - maintains a destabilising and weakening influence over every Arab country surrounding Israel.

Domino's anyone? - check your world map - the West is being conned big-time!

[oldrider]

Comments question and reply following Leuren Moret video interview on U Tube. *

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Reverend Galileo 9 months ago
Okay, I am just curious. A commenter a while back "accused" you, Leuren, of never saying the "Z" (Zionism) word. What is the difference between Zionisim and the Jesuits? Or are they the same entity? I am going to research this on my own, but I'm just wondering what your take is.
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Leuren Moret 9 months ago
Hello R. Galileo - thank you for your comment. The hierarchy has the Jesuits at the top (although I am certain there are layers above that) with ancient bloodlines from Parthian/Etruscan/Roman/Italian bloodlines at the very top - some of whom are Zorastrian/Mithra followers (Parthians) including Farnese (own the US Pentagon built of the design of the 16th century Villa Farnese former headquarters of the Jesuits and much of Wash. DC), Aldobrandini, Borgia, Gitti (run the banks) etc. These families have Popes in their history, Jesuits, and they run the wars for thousands of years. Below them there are the Zionists across the world who carry out their schemes and agendas, and below the Zionists are the Freemasons who protect the Jesuits and the Zionists. The Jesuits are not even Catholics or under the Pope - only the Superior General (Jesuits are a military organization) has direct official communications with the Pope. Zionists in this case do not refer to Jews, although people sometimes get confused, but Colin Powell stated very clearly that anti-Zionism does not mean anti-semetic. And now a few weeks ago Netanyahu stated that the Jews in Israel, and Ashkenaz Jews specifically, are not Semitic of from the Middle East - but are Turkic from Central Asia from the Khazar tribe. He also stated that the Jews are taking over Ukraine because its their traditional and tribal homeland. I don't know why they are hell bent on living in a region undergoing nuclear war at this moment - with depleted uranium used by both sides in the conflict. End of Quote.

*Interview video clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya82ljQmoGc To those interested - this clip is worth looking at!

[Swoop]

3 September 2015: Since Russia first invaded Ukraine in early 2014 they have insisted that no Russian troops are involved. This was not true and embarrassing evidence kept coming from Russia. Earlier in 2015 Russia passed a new law that made data about soldiers killed in peace time a state secret. That meant any Russian who revealed these statistics or discussed them could be prosecuted. That worked for a little while.

Despite all those precautions a Russian business magazine (Delovaya Zhizn) recently published an article on pay for military personnel and one of the charts showed the number of soldiers who died (over 2,000) or were wounded (nearly 4,000) in Ukraine. This was part of a discussion on benefits paid to the families of dead soldiers or living, but wounded, ones. Russian government officials soon found out about this and the article (in Russian) disappeared from the visible Internet. But Google, as part of its effort to make everything quickly available to its billions of users worldwide keeps copies of just about everything in severs (caches) worldwide. Reporters asked Google to retrieve one of the cached copies of the Delovaya Zhizn article and now the Russian government is quite embarrassed.

What is surprising about these numbers is that they are larger than earlier estimates based on fragmentary data from some families of Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine and complaining on the internet about how the Russian government is trying to keep the presence of Russian troops in Ukraine a secret. Suffering over 6,000 casualties in 18 months indicates a large force and an unusually high casualty rate. For example the Russians lost 15,000 troops during the 1979-89 Russian fighting in Afghanistan. This was out of a force that averaged 150,000 troops. During that time at least 1.5 million Afghans also died from the Russian violence. Total deaths in eastern Ukraine so far are under 10,000, most of them civilians and largely because of indiscriminate shelling of civilian areas by Russian or pro-Russian rebels. Now it is know that, as many had already suspected (because a lot of the rocket and howitzer firing was from weapons across the border in Russia) that most of these casualties were the result of Russian efforts.

Note that during 14 years of American operations in Afghanistan fewer than 2,200 American troops died and fewer than 100,000 Afghan civilians (most at the hands of the Taliban and various outlaws). The American combat force in Afghanistan averaged fewer than 50,000 troops.

Since early 2014 Ukraine and the West have complained about the growing number of Russian troops in eastern Ukraine (Donbas) and the growing number of attacks by the Donbas “rebels” (often very obviously Russian soldiers wearing uniforms with national insignia removed). These accusations and the growing body of evidence was ignored by the Russian government and, if addressed at all, said to be fabricated. The official Russian line has always been that there are no Russian troops in Donbas except maybe some Russian volunteers and all those aerial and satellite photos of Russian weapons (especially stuff Ukraine never had) in Donbas are Ukrainian and Western fabrications.
The Delovaya Zhizn revelations will also be denied. Opinion surveys show that Russians, exposed to more and more pro-war propaganda are still supporting their government but that majority is shrinking. The government needs an economic victory or they will be undone by privation, not military conquest (which is put forward as the NATO goal in Eastern Europe, to succeed where Napoleon and Hitler did not). Meanwhile more Russian troops and heavy weapons arrive on the Ukrainian border and, in small numbers, drive into Donbas. But the Delovaya Zhizn news spread inside Russia as well and that’s one audience the Russian government is having a more difficult time controlling.

[Katman]

I'd almost forgotten what a little Western propaganda mouthpiece you are.

[Swoop]

I'd almost forgotten what a little Western propaganda mouthpiece you are.

I knew that post would stir up a few around here...

[R650R]

Bump for interesting perspective before media coverage of present times

[1/32 man]

I’ve heard of Ukraine but what is “the Ukraine “?

[husaberg]

Old mashams and Oldracists and katspams plus r65Rs posts in this thread have not dated well now have they....

[R650R]

10% survival chance five mins to decide!!!! This policy will rapidly be emptying the gulags. I say as part of any peace deal Russia should take western convicts into its system. It will be a win for everyone, they will get there labour for making licence plates and railway lines andcwestern society will jump up a few notches.

[R650R]

An interesting perspective..

[R650R]

Some more recent analysis. This disaster has been going on for nearly a year now despite our media telling us that Putin has cancer, has Parkinson’s disease, is running out of bombs, is going to be over thrown by either the people/oligarchs/military coup...

[husaberg]

Some more recent analysis. This disaster has been going on for nearly a year now despite our media telling us that Putin has cancer, has Parkinson’s disease, is running out of bombs, is going to be over thrown by either the people/oligarchs/military coup...

Yet you are the person that said it they never would invade Ukraine.......

[F5 Dave]

Comments question and reply following Leuren Moret video interview on U Tube. *

Quote:
Reverend Galileo 9 months ago
Okay, I am just curious. A commenter a while back "accused" you, Leuren, of never saying the "Z" (Zionism) word. What is the difference between Zionisim and the Jesuits? Or are they the same entity? I am going to research this on my own, but I'm just wondering what your take is.
· 1

Leuren Moret 9 months ago
Hello R. Galileo - thank you for your comment. The hierarchy has the Jesuits at the top (although I am certain there are layers above that) with ancient bloodlines from Parthian/Etruscan/Roman/Italian bloodlines at the very top - some of whom are Zorastrian/Mithra followers (Parthians) including Farnese (own the US Pentagon built of the design of the 16th century Villa Farnese former headquarters of the Jesuits and much of Wash. DC), Aldobrandini, Borgia, Gitti (run the banks) etc. These families have Popes in their history, Jesuits, and they run the wars for thousands of years. Below them there are the Zionists across the world who carry out their schemes and agendas, and below the Zionists are the Freemasons who protect the Jesuits and the Zionists. The Jesuits are not even Catholics or under the Pope - only the Superior General (Jesuits are a military organization) has direct official communications with the Pope. Zionists in this case do not refer to Jews, although people sometimes get confused, but Colin Powell stated very clearly that anti-Zionism does not mean anti-semetic. And now a few weeks ago Netanyahu stated that the Jews in Israel, and Ashkenaz Jews specifically, are not Semitic of from the Middle East - but are Turkic from Central Asia from the Khazar tribe. He also stated that the Jews are taking over Ukraine because its their traditional and tribal homeland. I don't know why they are hell bent on living in a region undergoing nuclear war at this moment - with depleted uranium used by both sides in the conflict. End of Quote.

*Interview video clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya82ljQmoGc To those interested - this clip is worth looking at!

Jesus christ! Look at this nutjob. Hes fucking mad as a bag full of rabbits.

[husaberg]

Jesus christ! Look at this nutjob. Hes fucking mad as a bag full of rabbits.

Pretty sure it was the rabies that made him scared of the rabbi's........

[mashman]

And then someone makes that point that can't be argued against ...