The Ukraine

[mashman]

Histoire and disgruntled 3rd parties

It's amusing that the democratic west would go so hard out against Russia for leaving it up to Crimea to exercise its democratic right to decide it's own fate. Gotta love the hypocrisy. My favourite part is when the leader of an insignificant country, like, hmmmm, NZ perhaps stands up and denounces Crimea's decision in the name of the people living in that insignificant country.

[awa355]

I wonder if the Crimeans were given any option back in 1954 as to, if they wanted to be 'gifted' to the Ukraine, I somehow doubt it.

Western sanctions against Russia would be a waste of time. The Russian people know what ' going without and starvation ' is all about. They have had the worst that could be thrown at them over the last hundred years.

When you read of the suffering and hardship under Stalin, WW2 etc, There isn't much the west could do to break the resolve of the people, ( if the people were united against the sanctions ). Putin wont give a shit about the people. Although, today, the average Russians are in a better position to speak out and decide for themselves.

[Oscar]

It's amusing that the democratic west would go so hard out against Russia for leaving it up to Crimea to exercise its democratic right to decide it's own fate. Gotta love the hypocrisy. My favourite part is when the leader of an insignificant country, like, hmmmm, NZ perhaps stands up and denounces Crimea's decision in the name of the people living in that insignificant country.

Firstly, I'll say that Crimea probably is best suited to be part of Russia.

However, the vote was rigged by the Russians (there was no option that said "I want to stay part of Ukraine".
As usual your outrage is based on ignorance.

[awa355]

You really have to wonder about the ' Pro Western ' Ukraine govt. This article wont help the situation.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ectid=11222945

" Ukraine to hold military exercises with US, Britain "

[Oscar]

You really have to wonder about the ' Pro Western ' Ukraine govt. This article wont help the situation.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ectid=11222945

" Ukraine to hold military exercises with US, Britain "

Yet again, the West seems to be siding with some decidely dodgy characters.
It's hard to see the good guys in this fight.

[mashman]

Firstly, I'll say that Crimea probably is best suited to be part of Russia.

However, the vote was rigged by the Russians (there was no option that said "I want to stay part of Ukraine".
As usual your outrage is based on ignorance.

So the links SPman posted were lies?

[mashman]

Yet again, the West seems to be siding with some decidely dodgy characters.
It's hard to see the good guys in this fight.

They're called the people. I know I know it's a radical concept for you to grasp, but hey, I am an optimist.

[Oscar]

They're called the people. I know I know it's a radical concept for you to grasp, but hey, I am an optimist.

Another typically irrelevant & silly effort. I comment about western Govts backing a dodgy regime and you blather about “the people”.
What people? Ukraine or Russian?
And what have this nebulous group got to do with US/EU Foreign policy?

[Oscar]

So the links SPman posted were lies?

No.
Read them again.

[mashman]

Another typically irrelevant & silly effort. I comment about western Govts backing a dodgy regime and you blather about “the people”.
What people? Ukraine or Russian?
And what have this nebulous group got to do with US/EU Foreign policy?

I told you you wouldn't get it... and as you have repeatedly not been able to get it, I'm not going to tell you, you have not earned the right.

No.
Read them again.

2. “Do you support restoration of the 1992 Constitution of the Republic of Crimea and Crimea's status as a part of Ukraine?”

Looks pretty straight forwards to me.

[Oscar]

I told you you wouldn't get it... and as you have repeatedly not been able to get it, I'm not going to tell you, you have not earned the right.

You really are a pompous git, aren't you?
Your comment was about "The People". Well, in this case not all of the people can get what they want, so no, I don't get it.

2. “Do you support restoration of the 1992 Constitution of the Republic of Crimea and Crimea's status as a part of Ukraine?”

Looks pretty straight forwards to me.

The original 1992 Consititution was used to declare Crimea independant.

[mashman]

You really are a pompous git, aren't you?
Your comment was about "The People". Well, in this case not all of the people can get what they want, so no, I don't get it.

, yeah, that's me all over man, you got me bang to rights.
That wasn't the context under which my answer was given.

The original 1992 Consititution was used to declare Crimea independant.

Which month are you referring too?

[Brian d marge]

Who do you think you are kidding you little Hitler?
If you think we're on the run,
We are the boys who will stop your little game.
We are the boys who will make you think again.
'Cus who do you think you are kidding you little Hitler?
If you think the Ukraine’s been done!

Stephen

[Oscar]

, yeah, that's me all over man, you got me bang to rights.
That wasn't the context under which my answer was given.

Context? What was your context?
What does a man have to do to "earn the right"?

Making sense is not one of your things, is it?

Which month are you referring too?

Do you not know the meaning of the word "original"?

[mashman]

Context? What was your context?
What does a man have to do to "earn the right"?

Making sense is not one of your things, is it?

Meh.

Do you not know the meaning of the word "original"?

You mean as at 1st January 1992?