The Ukraine

[Oscar]

Meh.



You mean as at 1st January 1992?

No. The FIRST constitution on 1992.

[mashman]

No. The FIRST constitution on 1992.

Is that the one they're talking about? Coz 1992 starts on 1st January 1992 00:00:01.

[Oscar]

Is that the one they're talking about? Coz 1992 starts on 1st January 1992 00:00:01.

Shesh.

On 5 May 1992 parliament declared Crimea independent and passed the first Crimean constitution the same day.

[mashman]

Shesh.

On 5 May 1992 parliament declared Crimea independent and passed the first Crimean constitution the same day.

You missed a bit: "which was yet to be approved by a referendum to be held 2 August 1992".

Still, the ballot didn't specify a date, so as of the 1st day of 1992, was Crimea part of the Ukraine?

[awa355]

Reading this article today, I'm beginning to wonder if Putin really believes he can return to the ' good ole days ' . I think this guy is not afraid of military action from any quarter.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ectid=11229410

[Brian d marge]

Reading this article today, I'm beginning to wonder if Putin really believes he can return to the ' good ole days ' . I think this guy is not afraid of military action from any quarter.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ectid=11229410

Watch his body language in debates between him and Obama

its like fk this , I dont want to be here and why am I wasting my time with this bozo I should just wack him....





Wack

Stephen

[mashman]

Watch his body language in debates between him and Obama

its like fk this , I dont want to be here and why am I wasting my time with this bozo I should just wack him....

Wack

Stephen

T'would be an interesting way to start WW3. Putin speaks English doesn't he?

[Brian d marge]

T'would be an interesting way to start WW3. Putin speaks English doesn't he?

oh yes



Stephen

[SPman]

Meanwhile....

Before the political and geographical issues are settled, the Western looting of Ukraine has already begun. The Western media, doesn’t tell any more truth about IMF “rescue packages” than it does about anything else. The media reports, and many Ukrainians believe, that the IMF is going to rescue Ukraine financially by giving the country billions of dollars.


Ukraine will never see one dollar of the IMF money. What the IMF is going to do is to substitute Ukrainian indebtedness to the IMF for Ukrainian indebtedness to Western banks. The IMF will hand over the money to the Western banks, and the Western banks will reduce Ukraine’s indebtedness by the amount of IMF money. Instead of being indebted to the banks, Ukraine will now be indebted to the IMF.



Now the looting can begin. The IMF loan brings new conditions and imposes austerity on the Ukrainian people so that the Ukraine government can gather up the money with which to repay the IMF. The IMF conditions that will be imposed on the struggling Ukraine population will consist of severe reductions in old-age pensions, in government services, in government employment, and in subsidies for basic consumer purchases such as natural gas. Already low living standards will plummet. In addition, Ukrainian public assets and Ukrainian owned private industries will have to be sold off to Western purchasers.



Additionally, Ukraine will have to float its currency. In a futile effort to protect its currency’s value from being driven very low (and consequently import prices very high) by speculators ganging up on the currency and short-selling it, Ukraine will borrow more money with which to support its currency in the foreign exchange market. Of course, the currency speculators will end up with the borrowed money, leaving Ukraine much deeper in debt than currently.



The corruption involved is legendary, so the direct result of the gullible Maiden protesters will be lower Ukrainian living standards, more corruption, loss of sovereignty over the country’s economic policy, and the transfer of Ukrainian public and private property to Western interests.

[awa355]

Meanwhile....

Before the political and geographical issues are settled, the Western looting of Ukraine has already begun. The Western media, doesn’t tell any more truth about IMF “rescue packages” than it does about anything else. The media reports, and many Ukrainians believe, that the IMF is going to rescue Ukraine financially by giving the country billions of dollars.



Now the looting can begin. The IMF loan brings new conditions and imposes austerity on the Ukrainian people so that the Ukraine government can gather up the money with which to repay the IMF. The IMF conditions that will be imposed on the struggling Ukraine population will consist of severe reductions in old-age pensions, in government services, in government employment, and in subsidies for basic consumer purchases such as natural gas. Already low living standards will plummet. In addition, Ukrainian public assets and Ukrainian owned private industries will have to be sold off to Western purchasers.




The corruption involved is legendary, so the direct result of the gullible Maiden protesters will be lower Ukrainian living standards, more corruption, loss of sovereignty over the country’s economic policy, and the transfer of Ukrainian public and private property to Western interests.

Sounds exactly what the TPPA will bring to NZ. The IMF is simply a gathering of American banks.

[Brian d marge]

Meanwhile....

Before the political and geographical issues are settled, the Western looting of Ukraine has already begun. The Western media, doesn’t tell any more truth about IMF “rescue packages” than it does about anything else. The media reports, and many Ukrainians believe, that the IMF is going to rescue Ukraine financially by giving the country billions of dollars.


Ukraine will never see one dollar of the IMF money. What the IMF is going to do is to substitute Ukrainian indebtedness to the IMF for Ukrainian indebtedness to Western banks. The IMF will hand over the money to the Western banks, and the Western banks will reduce Ukraine’s indebtedness by the amount of IMF money. Instead of being indebted to the banks, Ukraine will now be indebted to the IMF.



Now the looting can begin. The IMF loan brings new conditions and imposes austerity on the Ukrainian people so that the Ukraine government can gather up the money with which to repay the IMF. The IMF conditions that will be imposed on the struggling Ukraine population will consist of severe reductions in old-age pensions, in government services, in government employment, and in subsidies for basic consumer purchases such as natural gas. Already low living standards will plummet. In addition, Ukrainian public assets and Ukrainian owned private industries will have to be sold off to Western purchasers.



Additionally, Ukraine will have to float its currency. In a futile effort to protect its currency’s value from being driven very low (and consequently import prices very high) by speculators ganging up on the currency and short-selling it, Ukraine will borrow more money with which to support its currency in the foreign exchange market. Of course, the currency speculators will end up with the borrowed money, leaving Ukraine much deeper in debt than currently.



The corruption involved is legendary, so the direct result of the gullible Maiden protesters will be lower Ukrainian living standards, more corruption, loss of sovereignty over the country’s economic policy, and the transfer of Ukrainian public and private property to Western interests.

Yup and if you have difficulty

you

http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/25/ukraine-p...hko-shot-dead/

wack em

and the US thought they could be such nice friends together

Stephen

ps dont forget it will have to sell its assets .... wealth transferance 101

[Hinny]

As regards all those poor protestors, "murdered" by the Ukrainian security forces....in an article by Pawel Kuczyński

What provided the rationale for the coup d'état was the killing of demonstrators by uniformed snipers, blamed on the previous government. The overthrown president, who has since fled to Russia, was accused of mass murder, and the new government demanded his extradition (a dumb move, since Russia's constitution forbids extradition). But there are serious questions about this interpretation of events: the special forces were never issued rifles and were never ordered to open fire on the protesters; there were quite a few special forces members themselves among those killed; the killings were carried out in such a manner as to incite rather than quell protest, by targeting women, bystanders and those assisting the wounded. The killings were followed by a professionally orchestrated public relations campaign, complete with a catchy name—“Heaven's Hundred” (“Небесная сотня”)—complete with candlelight vigils, rapid clean-up and laying of wreaths at the scene of the crime and so on.

Shades of 'Smith's Dream'. -('Let Sleeping Dogs Lie')

[Hinny]

Naaa .. people are stupid - 50% of the population is below average intelligence !!!

To be pedantic - I think this should read 50 % are below median intelligence.

[Hinny]

Meanwhile....

Before the political and geographical issues are settled, the Western looting of Ukraine has already begun. The Western media, doesn’t tell any more truth about IMF “rescue packages” than it does about anything else. The media reports, and many Ukrainians believe, that the IMF is going to rescue Ukraine financially by giving the country billions of dollars.


Ukraine will never see one dollar of the IMF money. What the IMF is going to do is to substitute Ukrainian indebtedness to the IMF for Ukrainian indebtedness to Western banks. The IMF will hand over the money to the Western banks, and the Western banks will reduce Ukraine’s indebtedness by the amount of IMF money. Instead of being indebted to the banks, Ukraine will now be indebted to the IMF.



Now the looting can begin. The IMF loan brings new conditions and imposes austerity on the Ukrainian people so that the Ukraine government can gather up the money with which to repay the IMF. The IMF conditions that will be imposed on the struggling Ukraine population will consist of severe reductions in old-age pensions, in government services, in government employment, and in subsidies for basic consumer purchases such as natural gas. Already low living standards will plummet. In addition, Ukrainian public assets and Ukrainian owned private industries will have to be sold off to Western purchasers.



Additionally, Ukraine will have to float its currency. In a futile effort to protect its currency’s value from being driven very low (and consequently import prices very high) by speculators ganging up on the currency and short-selling it, Ukraine will borrow more money with which to support its currency in the foreign exchange market. Of course, the currency speculators will end up with the borrowed money, leaving Ukraine much deeper in debt than currently.



The corruption involved is legendary, so the direct result of the gullible Maiden protesters will be lower Ukrainian living standards, more corruption, loss of sovereignty over the country’s economic policy, and the transfer of Ukrainian public and private property to Western interests.

This is what is happening in NZ now.
Possibly as a result of Bill English borrowing all that money we didn't need. (His rationale was that it was at such good interest rates.)
The IMF imposes rules of governance for countries to which it loans money. Those rules can be seen in play in NZ. The legacy of which is dire for the future of this country.

[Brian d marge]

This is what is happening in NZ now.
Possibly as a result of Bill English borrowing all that money we didn't need. (His rationale was that it was at such good interest rates.)
The IMF imposes rules of governance for countries to which it loans money. Those rules can be seen in play in NZ. The legacy of which is dire for the future of this country.

They are doing the same in the Ukraine as per Greece as per NZ

the Bank hands every minister the same four-step programme.

Step One is privatization

Step Two is capital market liberalization.

Step Three: market-based pricing ( prices going up due to shareholders etc Mighty river power etc !)

Step Four: free trade ( read wealth transfer )

oh They know when and where if the food price index goes above 210 the population get pissed This mean you can impose law and order ............( rules that allow wealth transfer )

Yeeehaaaa

Stir up a bit of far right , shoot a few civilians ( both sides were shot with the same ammo ! ) and bring in the Americans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ru...ion_in_Ukraine

On a side note

werent the troops the Russians moved in the 72nd ? airborne ? I mean these boys are all volunteers , the same ones that moved into Georgia? . If these boys are tied down in the Crimea , whose protecting Syria? much to Israels delight !

yup my bad it was the 76th airborne ,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/76th_Airborne_Division

these boys rock!

Stephen