The western papers, apart from the "Russia bad - West good mantra they pump out all the time, refuse to differentiate between the people of West Ukraine, who are Russo-phobic - especially those from Galicia, and those from the East. Kiev, is also the old traditional capital of Russia - not Moscow. Russia doesn't want to occupy Donbass - it would much rather have a united, stable, non-aggresive Ukraine on it's boundary, but, Nato and the US won't allow that!Originally Posted by oldrider
She doesn't want to see occupation again - well neither does Putin - and obviously by her words he hasn't - why do they keep saying he has?
Maybe it is simply NATO and USA that have invaded and occupied their minds - their neighbours in their Eastern state want to remain Russians as part of Russia!
Democracy at work but not allowed or accepted by the champions of democracy - USA - only if it suits them and it goes their way!
I also like this comment on the current fighting....
Then there are all those rumors about Ukie units refusing to go on the offensive. Initially, I dismissed them as Novorussian propaganda, but then the Ukrainian social media also began echoing this information. Apparently, entire units are refusing to go on the offensive. Frankly, I don't blame them. Sure, the Ukies did lick their wounds from the catastrophic campaign last summer, but there is only that much anybody can do in just few months.
In most countries, just basic training, "bootcamp", is 3-4 months after which a civilian is considered only as a basic solider, a "private". Only then does this basic solider get any kind of specialty. As for a NCO (non commissioned, a corporal, sergeant, etc.) or an officer - they need even much more training. Except that the Ukies already used a lot of their older, but at least trained, NCOs and officers this summer and now their are either dead, or crippled or disgusted.
Poroshenko has now announced three waves of mobilization for 2015, but is rather evident for anybody with a semblance of intelligence that he is really conscripting cannon fodder, not a capable fighting force. In contrast, the Novorussians now have plenty of well-trained, well equipped and battle hardened experienced men on all levels. And make no mistake, a company of experienced battle hardened soldiers will defeat an entire battalion of clueless recruits, especially if the former are better equipped (which is the case thanks to the Voentorg).A conspiracy is what you think, judged by people who often don't think, or it doesn't fit with the scenario in their heads and, refusing to process it or think about it, they call it a conspiracy, to make themselves feel better and so they don't have to think about it.......or something.........Is a conspiracy the story you believe may be true - or is it the ones that other people believe might be true?
tsk tsk so confusing!
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I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
Not to forget all the other wars Korea, Viet Nam and countless Middle East conflicts etc etc! 
Meanwhile back in the Middle East! 
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