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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    FFS. I hate this ghoulish death toll fascination shit.
    Threads like this one give me the shits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulsterkiwi View Post
    An observation made without knowledge of all the numbers and without the intent of flaming: is it me or are there a disproportionate number of serious or fatal accidents in the Waikato?
    Certainly a lot of bikes on the Waikato rds every weekend, could be a combination of great roads and a big catchment area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mental Trousers View Post
    Threads like this one give me the shits.
    On more than one level.....

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    Hey cassina, instead of mouthing off about systems you know nothing about, you could do what I do and read about them and have a crack at them and then make an informed comment instead of an ignorant small-minded fucking poorly crafted dig, you fucking ignoramus. You may be surprised to note that the core of most decent road craft systems is observation and planning, not blind fucking obedience to a doctrine. Jesus H Christ could you be any more stupid? Learn before you bag something. Oh, and reading rude, blatantly hostile reactions to your idiocy, you know, like mine, is NOT learning about any particular training or road craft system. It's confirmation bias, using a poorly defined link that exists in only your mind to deride something you have no experience of.

    I've investigated Alan Kirk's methods, a couple of different track-based schools, one on one training, a couple of ACC sponsored taining days, been in bike clubs whose focus was road craft, and not one, NOT ONE of those methods advocates blindly riding everywhere "at speed" (whatever the fuck that means, because it's different for everyone, a purely solipsistic experience with massively variable thresholds depending on age, experience, perception, visual cortex processing speeds, vestibular system capability and on and on) sacrificing safety in pursuit of "riding smoothly at speed" in blind ignorance of things like side roads with approaching traffic, farm gates, maximising vision to leverage the best possible outcome in a situation, blah, blah, fucking blah. Every single training system advocates using the advantages of a motorcycle to limit risk. Your personal approach seems to be to grind to a halt at the merest sign of velocity or inherent threat. How DO you get of bed?

    My approach may be interpreted as unwelcoming. You'd be right. Just get a train pass and then you won't have to worry about side roads anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    If possible I always slow slightly when I see a car approaching from a side road until I know they have stopped. I guess riding like that would not be considered smooth and fast but I would rather ride like that than end up dead by riding to some text book.
    I do the same, and plan an escape route while I'm at it while ensuring I'm in a low enough gear to power out smoothly if need be.

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    Go James Deuce!
    Cassina, I have yet to read that you have interpreted a thread or quoted a post correctly. Currently you seem to be the KB village idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    Another thing I do if I am on the open road and see a lot of cars going the other way is I will ride on the left rather than the centre of the lane just in case a car decides to overtake without seeing me. Around town I will often do the opposite and ride towards the centre of the road in places where vehicles may pull out of driveways/side of the road.
    Yeah, I do exactly the same. I always position myself (where appropriate) in a way that cagers can see me from the furtherest distance away, and for me to see them from far away. Of course this is pointless if the cager isn't actually looking in the first place.

    Also watching out for blind spots is good in multi laned roads. A quick burt of throttle to get past does the trick. What really fucks me off is cagers who change lanes without indicating and/or turning their head to look behind them in their blind spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    How about you and your mate Deuce just respect the fact that not everyone needs to go to a riding school or read lots of books to be able to ride safely?
    See thread title. Don't rest on your laurels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    How about you and your mate Deuce just respect the fact that not everyone needs to go to a riding school or read lots of books to be able to ride safely?
    And who qualifies that YOUR riding is safe? You?

    Fuckin' know-it-alls...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    How about you and your mate Deuce just respect the fact that not everyone needs to go to a riding school or read lots of books to be able to ride safely?
    So how did you get your licence again???

    Considering you don't read any books as such or go to any coarse's, did they just chuck your licence over the fence to you when you got to the right age?
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    I did NOT say that you HAD to do courses or read books to ride safely. I SAID that you SHOULD investigate everything that you want to disagree with so you can do it from an informed point of view.

    You are far more bound up in doctrine than any of the people you accusingly point the "riding fast and smooth" wibbly stick at. It's people like you who refuse to EVER learn anything new who maintain NZ's poor road safety stats. I bet you aren't in any accidents, but you see heaps of them.

    Foul language? It's a fucking motorcycling site. I hear worse every day working in IT and that's just the women folk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    Another thing I do if I am on the open road and see a lot of cars going the other way is I will ride on the left rather than the centre of the lane just in case a car decides to overtake without seeing me. Around town I will often do the opposite and ride towards the centre of the road in places where vehicles may pull out of driveways/side of the road.
    Riding to the left pretty much guarantees they wont see you if there are cars in front of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grubber View Post
    So how did you get your licence again???

    Considering you don't read any books as such or go to any coarse's, did they just chuck your licence over the fence to you when you got to the right age?
    FWIW, apart from getting my bike license in 1971, I have had no additional training how to stay alive. But clearly, against the odds, I am still alive. I am also far from the fastest or best rider around. But I ride accordingly (most of the time anyhow...). And I am quite content with that. By riding heaps in the past, and trialling different ways of doing stuff, I have found a style that suits me.

    Also, many of my years on bikes have been spent on old bikes with looong forks, meaning that any techniques that are thaught would not really work. Have you ever tried to grab a handful of frontbrake on a rigid with a 22" extended springer? In the last 2 years I have got very little riding in as I have traveled with my youngest son to his MX racing 50 weekends a year. He has been injured since end of January (but will be back riding in a couple of weeks) and I have had an opportunity to do some more riding. I quickly realised that I was not riding as fluently as I did in the past. But with more time on the road I now feel I am close to where I used to be.

    And my point with this ramble? Time in the saddle is what counts. By all means, read books, go to rider training, but if you don't get the hours in you will not be as good as you could be.

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    While I agree to a certian extent I still believe there is nothing that will replace real tuition from experts in thw field. I have raced bikes on and off fro many years but my ability both on and off the the track did not imprive to the extent it did when I did some full on coarses. Unless you learn some real skills from such coarses you are only delving in what could be very bad habits.

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