We have lost 13

[Gremlin]

The choice of bike plays a part too and no doubt riding schools would promote bikes with safety gizmos over ones without and the fact my bike does not have the latest you would no doubt also say I am at a greater risk but I feel having a car for wet days is possibly better than a bike with all the latest safety gizmos on a wet day.

See... this is what James was touching on, knowing what you're spouting off about, as otherwise, you only look like a fool.

The only school, training organisation or day, that I can think of, that had any connection to specific bike or bike brand, was the previous iteration of Superbike School, that had a fleet of Suzukis. Not sure of the exact arrangement. Otherwise, it's about knowing your bike, it's and your ability and working with that. Naturally, the "safety gizmos" in most considered opinions do make things safer, but given you seem completely close minded about training (after all, 30 years "not your fault") I won't even try to argue the value of "gizmos". As already said, it doesn't matter what bike you have, and other than the usual friendly jibes about brands, there is no discrimination or hidden motivation or kick back.

[cc rider]

Sad to hear of a fellow rider passing, isn't it everyone

Condolences to family & friends. Including those that may be on KB.

[trustme]

The motorcyclist I give a shit about is this one, the one I'm responsible for. The rest are responsible for themselves, and anyone else's opinion about their choices will affect that not a jot, which is exactly as it should be.

I'm alright Jack pull up,the ladder

Tried to use a ladder on site lately, the clobbering machine is forcing them off site

If we collectively don't sort this, it will be sorted for us, that is something I don't want.

[PrincessBandit]

.... The choice of bike plays a part too ....

Freda Grace has coined the phrase "bikes that match their ambitions rather than their ability".

[Robbo]

Freda Grace has coined the phrase "bikes that match their ambitions rather than their ability".

Yep, i saw that on the news. I think it sums the situation up pretty well in many cases.

[Banditbandit]

No it's not.

It sounds like that's just the way you like to make it.

Undoubtedly ...

What a shame then that their choices will so often negatively impact on the rest of us.

Oh yeah .. I'm part of the 1% or motorcyclists who ...

I was referring to this:


Wrong attitude: not accepting responsibility for incorrect following distance, not paying attention to what the vehicle ahead (or 2-3 cars ahead), side roads, pedestrians, stray animals.

OK .. I'll let you off ...

The motorcyclist I give a shit about is this one, the one I'm responsible for. The rest are responsible for themselves, and anyone else's opinion about their choices will affect that not a jot, which is exactly as it should be.

YES !!!!

[Quasievil]

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[Banditbandit]

Fact is a HUGE percentage of bikers ride like morons and kill themselves.

13 is Not a HUGE number ... as a percentage of the number of riders on the road, I wonder how it comes with the percentage of car drivers killed on the roads ..

Get a grip and get some perspective !!!

Yeah - every death leaves behind families and loved ones ... condolences to them all ... but don't blow up 13 into a HUGE number ...

[Katman]

13 is Not a HUGE number ...

It's a big enough number.

If the general public repeatedly get fed the information that road deaths in general are on the decrease while motorcycle deaths are on the increase, you can kiss goodbye to any widespread support we may have hoped for if the govt/ACC decide that the time is ripe to come down heavily on us yet again.

[Banditbandit]

So - do we try to stop people getting killed or do we fight the propaganda system? We will do better in political terms with the latter choice

[Katman]

......or do we fight the propaganda system? We will do better in political terms with the latter choice

Come on, you're not seriously that naive, are you?

[Banditbandit]

Come on, you're not seriously that naive, are you?

What is politically naïve about fighting the propaganda system? Isn't that what we tried the last time? In the end, isn't that what all public political struggles are about? Fighting the other side's propaganda system? It's certainly what the election will be all about ..

[Katman]

What is politically naïve about fighting the propaganda system? Isn't that what we tried the last time? In the end, isn't that what all public political struggles are about? Fighting the other side's propaganda system? It's certainly what the election will be all about ..

Ok, I'll accept that you are actually that naive.

[Banditbandit]

Oh come on .. I could equally suggest that you are completely naïve in your attempts to stop riders getting killed on the roads - NEVER going to happen ..

[Katman]

Oh come on .. I could equally suggest that you are completely naïve in your attempts to stop riders getting killed on the roads - NEVER going to happen ..

So what you're saying is that we should have the right to ride as stupidly and irresponsibly as we like (regardless of what we're costing the country to put us back together) and when TPTB decide to come down hard on us again we should go crying to the public, claiming that it's all a propaganda hoax - even though those same members of the public might have come back from a weekend where they were carved up by a bunch of motorcyclists competing in the Coro GP, or almost got collected by a 200kph machine as they tried to exit their driveway on a quiet rural road or they lost a wing mirror to a motorcyclist who was aggrieved that they weren't left enough room to filter to the front of the line.

That's actually going beyond naive and starting to enter the realms of totally moronic.