Forum whore
Do you remember saying this?
And yet you seem to think that all we have to do is get the public on our side by claiming that the numbers are all a bunch of lies.Originally Posted by Banditbandit
Seriously, that's just the most retarded viewpoint I've heard in a long time.
Anarchic Wild Child
And are you seriously suggesting that there is a way to stop all that behaviour ?? By the same standards, that's beyond naïve as well
So - let's agree that we are framing each other's thinking in the wrong way ... (and I'll admit that I've deliberately prodded you - I have no excuse)
Yes, we should try to make our fellow riders safer on the roads .. and stop them harassing car drivers ... (and I will admit that, in the past, I have pretty much done all of the things you have listed above .. except on the Coro Loop, but certainly in other places ... and also that in recent times your words have made me think about my own actions on the road)
But equally we should provide some balance to the propaganda perpetrated against motorcycle riders ..
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Don't forget to bring a towel
How about forcing EVERY road user to take responsibility for their own actions, and hold them accountable if/when they fuck up.
Forum whore
Absolutely.
It can be achieved (or at least reduced dramatically) by motorcyclists collectively starting to condemn other motorcyclists for riding like cocks.
'Cos if we don't, you can kiss goodbye to the degree of motorcycling freedom that we still have left.
Anarchic Wild Child
Nice, but not possible mate - how many of us open that throttle wide when there is no-one else around ?? And sometimes the consequences of fucking up are death .. you can't hold dead people any more accountable than they already are ..
To implement that suggestion means a cop watching every piece of road everywhere in the country 24 hours a day - not going to happen (luckily)
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
No - I'm sorry but that's totally naïve ... many of us do not give a flying fuck about what other nanny riders think ... peer pressure is never going to work ... Your words did not impact on my because of peer pressure - your words impacted on me because, after 58 years of kicking around on this planet, I actually quite like being alive ... and I've decided I want to keep it that way, at least for a while ...
30 years ago I didn't give a fuck - and I never expected to live to be this old ... and I rode accordingly - and nothing people like you could have said would make me changed ... I'm still amazed I'm still alive ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Forum whore
This is all old news , this shit has been discussed forever.
My opinion and Im entitled to it FYI, is that bikers love thinking its all a propoganda and the government is out to get them tax them off the roads etc etc etc, when the FACT is Bikers regulary act like complete fucktards on the road they are mostly overflowing with self entitled attitudes, they treat the road like a race track and not a public road and they Die..............to Bad who cares !!..............until Bikers take some fucking ownership and stop blaming every one and everything else it wont bloody change.
p.s for me 30 years on bikes Zero crashes !! 10 mates dead and they all rode like fucktards very often !!
Ive run out of fucks to give
Anarchic Wild Child
Oh .... you're one of THEM ... well, for me, 40 years on a bike - still alive ... and I frequently rode like people like you would call "fucktard" ...
Do I want to play troll with you ?? Fuck off ... I play troll with people have a modicum of respect for ... you're not worth the shit arsehole.
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Forum whore
WOW, that highlights alot about you, question...... who is trolling dickhead ? thats actually my opinion and im sticking to it.
Ive run out of fucks to give
Don't forget to bring a towel
Riding fast on a quiet road is a lot different from not giving way at an intersection or driving on the wrong side of the road around blind corners.
Anarchic Wild Child
Yeah - I know it's your opinion and you are sticking to it ... and I was trolling Katman a little ...
You're still an arsehole ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
Oh - now you're contextualizing it . which your original comment (here) did not ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Forum whore
All of these articles / news items refer to ‘bikers’ as if this is some kind of unified group. It isn’t, there is a wide and diverse spectrum of riders in many sub categories. I think it’s more a big cluster of tribes where some members seamlessly move between tribes who sit next to close to one another on the spectrum AND can also hop from one extreme end to the other. Sport bikers who road race are close, racers who ride cruisers on the street or dirt bikers that belong to 1% clubs are not close on the spectrum. There are very few rules.
Inside each group there are wildly differing attitudes and skill sets. At the recent Polished Rockers do, 99% of people covering virtually every tribe had a great time but there were some who arrived on a bike and were drinking well in excess of the limit. Frankly a couple of them looked a bit ‘loose’ when they rocked up… The Police were at the end of the street but they were not deterred in the slightest.
So in short – while its easy to throw a blanket over all of us as ‘motorcyclists’ the reality is that you are talking about a very diverse group that is NOT well defined by that title.
Sadly this means that any measures to tackle accident/death rates is only going to partially effective because it will only appeal to certain sub tribes of motorcyclists. The great majority will be deaf to any message that is counter to their tribes ‘culture’.
Even more sadly this will limit the success of any initiative and the authorities will become frustrated and these measures will become more punishing than rewarding of good behaviour because that what authorities do. It’s a bleak outlook and I’m not looking forwards to it.
Have we got ‘ourselves’ to blame? Yes but since we are not even remotely unified or cohesive there is no US to become self regulating. A 1% isn’t likely to care about a trailies disapproval and a sport biker isn’t going to give a shit about a classic rider telling them to slow down.
One option is to narrow down the sub tribes most represented in the statistics and provide initiatives better targeted to them
Don't forget to bring a towel
In short: Ride/drive according to the conditions.
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