Watch the news - B777 missing

[avgas]

There was an interview on radioNZ (nine to noon Wednesday april 4) with a Seattle based company that found the black (orange) box from the Air France airbus that crashed mid-atlantic. They were saying that the equipment they have, ready to go, is suited for searching at the 5km depths that MH370 is thought to be at, yet at the time of the interview, they were still waiting for the call. Meanwhile the submersible that IS being used is right at the limits of range. do they want this thing found or not?
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/pr...ries-have-died

Simply put. No.

Process to find something:
- Find out where it last was?
- Find out where it was going?
- Confirm it was going where it was going?
- Look where people tell you they last saw it.

They new it left Malaysia
They thought it was going north.

So everyone jump in the water and let see what is north of Malaysia.

Oh wait - there is more information you say? Now it's south?

The telemetry systems on those birds is better that what most think. If there is data that shows an engine running for 5 hours. It ran for 5 hours.

They don't want to find the plane.

[YellowDog]

Simply put. No.

Process to find something:
- Find out where it last was?
- Find out where it was going?
- Confirm it was going where it was going?
- Look where people tell you they last saw it.

They new it left Malaysia
They thought it was going north.

So everyone jump in the water and let see what is north of Malaysia.

Oh wait - there is more information you say? Now it's south?

The telemetry systems on those birds is better that what most think. If there is data that shows an engine running for 5 hours. It ran for 5 hours.

They don't want to find the plane.

There was a Kiwi guy on an oil platform who was interviewed on the news saying that he saw the plane flying over and it was on fire.

Oh, wait a minute...... he wasn't supposed to see that...................

We can spot an ant shagging a ladybird from space, but we can't see what happened to a 777 that was sitting on radar screens before disappearing and now we have no record of where it might have gone.

It's all Bull Shit

[Kickaha]

It's all Bull Shit

No, It's just stupid people who think in this age of technology that everything is tracked 24/7 and nothing can get lost or go misssing

[Paul in NZ]

We can spot an ant shagging a ladybird from space, but we can't see what happened to a 777 that was sitting on radar screens before disappearing and now we have no record of where it might have gone.

It's all Bull Shit

Big difference. If you say "I'm standing on the corner of Manners and Taranaki street and I'm reading a news paper can you see the headline? The answer is - yes I can...

If you ask 'can you track every commercial airliner currently flying and monitor where its going' the answer is no I can't.

I've had a little to do with biometrics like facial recognition and its a similar problem. If say you have a company with 100 office staff and you want door access you have a data base off 100 and so you compare a face in the camera to the dataset of 100 staff. Relatively easy to do. Scanning a football stadium (say 40,000 faces) for all known criminals on your database? Thats almost impossible. Scanning for 1 known face in the 40,000 is nearly doable but.... not a list of all the known criminal faces in a sample that big.

Yes I know they can in the movies but...

[oldrider]

It's all Bull Shit

Certainly not a good look about it ... hard to accept!

[Swoop]

They still have not found the missing plane MH370. That said, it took the US 10 years, trillions of dollars, thousands of soldiers' lives, and state of the art technology to finally find Bin Laden ...
In his house.

So has anyone checked Kuala Lumpur airport yet?

[scrivy]

Yes I know they can in the movies but...

But... but...but.... On Person of interest they can....... that's not a movie...

[kevfromcoro]

They are bringing out a movie on the missing plane.
Think its a bit premature..
dunno how its going to end....
Cose they haven't found the fukn thing yet..

[oneofsix]

They are bringing out a movie on the missing plane.
Think its a bit premature..
dunno how its going to end....
Cose they haven't found the fukn thing yet..

best option, then you can make the ending anything you like, such as it landing on the moon.

[YellowDog]

Big difference. If you say "I'm standing on the corner of Manners and Taranaki street and I'm reading a news paper can you see the headline? The answer is - yes I can...

If you ask 'can you track every commercial airliner currently flying and monitor where its going' the answer is no I can't.

I've had a little to do with biometrics like facial recognition and its a similar problem. If say you have a company with 100 office staff and you want door access you have a data base off 100 and so you compare a face in the camera to the dataset of 100 staff. Relatively easy to do. Scanning a football stadium (say 40,000 faces) for all known criminals on your database? Thats almost impossible. Scanning for 1 known face in the 40,000 is nearly doable but.... not a list of all the known criminal faces in a sample that big.

Yes I know they can in the movies but...

Joking aside, I believe that a great deal of skill and expertise was used to hide this plane so it will not ever be found.

Time will tell, but I'm not holding my breath.

You certainly would not want to know someone or be acquainted with someone with a loved one on board.

[Paul in NZ]

Joking aside, I believe that a great deal of skill and expertise was used to hide this plane so it will not ever be found.

Time will tell, but I'm not holding my breath.

You certainly would not want to know someone or be acquainted with someone with a loved one on board.

Oh you may well be right but on the other hand don't assume for a second that technology can cover every aircraft everywhere all at once. Tracking one aircraft picked a head of time sure. However there are systems to alert unusual 'patterns' but not in that part of the globe apparently.

Its a blimmin strange one...

[awa355]

Joking aside, I believe that a great deal of skill and expertise was used to hide this plane so it will not ever be found.

Time will tell, but I'm not holding my breath.

You certainly would not want to know someone or be acquainted with someone with a loved one on board.

It would be a tragic indicment of humanity, if so many innocent lives were lost and families devastated just so one group could prove an advanced technical development works. Still, its been done before.

Are there still ' Goodies and Baddies ', I doubt it.

[scrivy]

It was used in a "Philadelphia experiment"........
It will beam back into a skyscraper somewhere........

[Katman]

It would be a tragic indicment of humanity, if so many innocent lives were lost and families devastated just so one group could prove an advanced technical development works. Still, its been done before.

Are there still ' Goodies and Baddies ', I doubt it.

Hey, there's still people stupid enough to think that nothing untoward happened on 9/11. (Other than a couple of planes hitting some buildings).

There's a good chance that the vast majority of people will blindly accept anything that the authorities tell them about a missing plane.

[avgas]

Big difference. If you say "I'm standing on the corner of Manners and Taranaki street and I'm reading a news paper can you see the headline? The answer is - yes I can...

If you ask 'can you track every commercial airliner currently flying and monitor where its going' the answer is no I can't.

I've had a little to do with biometrics like facial recognition and its a similar problem. If say you have a company with 100 office staff and you want door access you have a data base off 100 and so you compare a face in the camera to the dataset of 100 staff. Relatively easy to do. Scanning a football stadium (say 40,000 faces) for all known criminals on your database? Thats almost impossible. Scanning for 1 known face in the 40,000 is nearly doable but.... not a list of all the known criminal faces in a sample that big.

Yes I know they can in the movies but...

Data can produce gold or bullshit. You need the right data, in a clear form to make the right conclusion.
In your case - reading a face is difficult. It is the wrong information, but reading rfid is not so much. So using your 100 people in a building, it's a piece of cake (relatively - actually its fucking difficult, but easier than reading a face).
Many biometric solutions fail because its not a static metric.......its dynamic, it's analog. Someone could punch you in the face and facial recognition suddenly has to have another algorithm to deal with.

But these planes did have metrics that told people it was flying.
The GE had built in monitoring telemetry (remote monitoring of items) to report back engine status (broadcast report not polled).
These reports it showing the engines RUNNING for 5 hours.
Additional to this, the emergency devices have a report-by-exception action on trigger.

So the facts from data we have, that are know is:
- Engines ran for 5 hours
- Emergency Beacons did not fire, or activated - but were unable to report (radio signal problem).

We don't know if the engines stopped (signal lost). Or why they stopped (failure or disengaged). Either signals never made it home.

So no, this problem is completely different to yours - in this one the problem isn't using a satellite to spot something, like a person in a crowd. But more which way did they go? Where do we expect them to be?

edit: so in conclusion.....they are not looking. They aren't looking at the data - or even releasing the data for others to look at.