Collapse of civilisation (one for Akzle)

**mashman** · 19th March 2014, 13:57

Originally Posted by bogan

You certainly don't come off as somebody who has, I mean why else would you be pushing your money-less shit at every opportunity despite numerous people picking holes in it. Plug the holes, then push the shit, it is only logical. I mean there is a myriad of different things that we won't know would/wouldn't work until we tried them, put some bloody effort in to elevate your's to the top of the pile. Cos from where I'm sitting, I'd vastly prefer some robotic overlords to a dictatorship led by peasants.

I've a radical idea. Change your own mind and plug your own holes, because they are yours holes. You need the figures. You perceive the holes. You do nothing to plug them. Yet you state that it's me and how I explain things that is the problem

. I thought you morons would have figured that shit out by now, then again if you had you wouldn't persist with the playing the man and not the ball. Your failure to comprehend is yours. Your failure to ignore the delivery is yours.

There are holes, primarily because I can't think of everything that every single individual will ever throw up as a question. Yes there are holes, there are massive holes in this system that will be plugged by NOW (or similar), yet you refuse to acknowledge that, cos you're too busy playing the man. All of those failures are yours.

Meh, your choice to see things the way you do. I can't change your mind for you. Consider that a lesson in how you should approach a solution in a positive manner

**bogan** · 19th March 2014, 14:00

Originally Posted by mashman

I've a radical idea. Change your own mind and plug your own holes, because they are yours holes. You need the figures. You perceive the holes. You do nothing to plug them.

So, will you do the same for my proposed idea of an AI led society? Or is your's a case of do as I say not as I do?

**mashman** · 19th March 2014, 16:37

Originally Posted by bogan

So, will you do the same for my proposed idea of an AI led society? Or is your's a case of do as I say not as I do?

What will your AI led society be like in regards to laws, financial system, policing etc...?

The main issue I see with AI is just that, it's an artificial intelligence. I assume it's purely a logic engine? That being the case, and much like the current system, it will make decisions based on logic. Not all decisions should be based on logic. Is it logical to wipeout 3/4 of the population, yes. Is it logical to "appeal" to people to make the hard choices, yes for me, doubt the AI will accept that as a valid argument to begin with. What safeguards will be in place?

How would human beings take the recommendations of the AI? Is it going to be written into law that the AI is unquestionable? If not, then why bother with an AI? Why do engineers get to program the AI? How will the AI learn? School?

Maybe having multiple ?computers? that form the AI would be a way to go? Maybe multiple AI's? An AI council?

**PrincessBandit** · 19th March 2014, 16:44

Originally Posted by rustyrobot

Exterminate, exterminate, exterrrrrrrrrminate!

**bogan** · 19th March 2014, 18:25

Originally Posted by mashman

What will your AI led society be like in regards to laws, financial system, policing etc...?

The main issue I see with AI is just that, it's an artificial intelligence. I assume it's purely a logic engine? That being the case, and much like the current system, it will make decisions based on logic. Not all decisions should be based on logic. Is it logical to wipeout 3/4 of the population, yes. Is it logical to "appeal" to people to make the hard choices, yes for me, doubt the AI will accept that as a valid argument to begin with. What safeguards will be in place?

How would human beings take the recommendations of the AI? Is it going to be written into law that the AI is unquestionable? If not, then why bother with an AI? Why do engineers get to program the AI? How will the AI learn? School?

Maybe having multiple ?computers? that form the AI would be a way to go? Maybe multiple AI's? An AI council?

What, you expect me to have answers you find acceptable? Go off and convince yourself... then when you've done that, I'll go off and convince myself about NOW if you still want me too, which of course you won't if you have convinced yourself of this one

catch 22

**Akzle** · 19th March 2014, 18:32

Originally Posted by mashman

What will your AI led society be like in regards to laws, financial system, policing etc...?

The main issue I see with AI is just that, it's an artificial intelligence. I assume it's purely a logic engine? That being the case, and much like the current system, it will make decisions based on logic. Not all decisions should be based on logic. Is it logical to wipeout 3/4 of the population, yes. Is it logical to "appeal" to people to make the hard choices, yes for me, doubt the AI will accept that as a valid argument to begin with. What safeguards will be in place?

How would human beings take the recommendations of the AI? Is it going to be written into law that the AI is unquestionable? If not, then why bother with an AI? Why do engineers get to program the AI? How will the AI learn? School?

Maybe having multiple ?computers? that form the AI would be a way to go? Maybe multiple AI's? An AI council?

wargames -"the only way to win is not to play"
matrix...

**mashman** · 19th March 2014, 18:37

Originally Posted by bogan

What, you expect me to have answers you find acceptable? Go off and convince yourself... then when you've done that, I'll go off and convince myself about NOW if you still want me too, which of course you won't if you have convinced yourself of this one

catch 22

I knew that was coming... but still thought I'd make the attempt to gain a further understanding in order to potentially change my mind. Alas, you took the predictable path. Catch 22, only in your mind.

**mashman** · 19th March 2014, 18:39

Originally Posted by Akzle

wargames -"the only way to win is not to play"
matrix...

I'd have said no I wouldn't like to play a game of global thermo-nuclear war in the first place... but I've seen the movie.
Hmmmmmmmm, something very tempting about that.

**bogan** · 19th March 2014, 18:46

Originally Posted by mashman

I knew that was coming... but still thought I'd make the attempt to gain a further understanding in order to potentially change my mind. Alas, you took the predictable path. Catch 22, only in your mind.

Again, you need to think about how similar the arguments are; as your bias is clearly showing.

We have gained understanding of yours, and it has been nowhere near enough to change our mind, suggesting we just need to go convince ourselves is pants on head retarded.

**rustyrobot** · 19th March 2014, 18:51

Originally Posted by bogan

Think of it less as a terminator, and more as a technocratic admin... You wouldn't program the morality directly or any decisions, you'd program the ability to learn it, and make the right decisions.

But how would you convince humans to give up power in the first place? Especially those who are megalomaniac, power-crazy, self-important, dictatorial, tyrannical. You know - politicians, gang bosses, religious autocrats, chief executives. They can sure as hell build a bigger better faster larger (semi/)autonomous machine than you... and will we be ruled by the islamabots, the christicons, socialistmechs or the anarchotrons?

**bogan** · 19th March 2014, 18:53

Originally Posted by rustyrobot

But how would you convince humans to give up power in the first place? Especially those who are megalomaniac, power-crazy, self-important, dictatorial, tyrannical. You know - politicians, gang bosses, religious autocrats, chief executives. They can sure as hell build a bigger better faster larger (semi/)autonomous machine than you... and will we be ruled by the islamabots, the christicons, socialistmechs or the anarchotrons?

Through democracy, if an AI (or the human consulting with it) is more deserving to lead, through being a hardout, it'll get props, and be accepted.

Though, that would mean we have to fix democracy first...

**Akzle** · 19th March 2014, 18:54

fuck ill be sweet. Mech warrior legend. Just need to find my sidewinder and gamepad pci card!

**mashman** · 19th March 2014, 18:57

Originally Posted by bogan

Again, you need to think about how similar the arguments are; as your bias is clearly showing.

We have gained understanding of yours, and it has been nowhere near enough to change our mind, suggesting we just need to go convince ourselves is pants on head retarded.

Duh... I knew what you were going to say (display that the thought took place). Granted not in the exact same words, but certainly knew I was being lined up for a "lesson". We've done bias

I'm not trying to change your mind

and you talk about pants on head retarded

priceless.