Collapse of civilisation (one for Akzle)

**Voltaire** · 17th March 2014, 12:59

Originally Posted by Edbear

Soon they will realise you can't eat money.

Oil and Gas are the hot topic right now, but clean water is going to be fought over next.

Lake Taupo has:

Water volume is 14 cubic miles (59 cubic kilometers).

According to Google, so we're good there.

so its really just whittaker's peanut slabs to worry about now. I wonder if they have a disaster plan in place...might ring them.

**Edbear** · 17th March 2014, 13:07

Originally Posted by Voltaire

Lake Taupo has:

According to Google, so we're good there.

so its really just whittaker's peanut slabs to worry about now. I wonder if they have a disaster plan in place...might ring them.

NZ is fine for fresh water. But watch the continents where rivers and streams run across the border, and underground aquifer's straddle borders. The USA is running out of fresh water, the water tables and wells have reduced alarmingly over the past 50 years or so. Add to that the increasing pollution of what remains and it will be interesting to see what the Govt. will try to do about it.

Same is true of most of Europe.

I fear what may happen here if we run out of peanut slabs!

**oldrider** · 17th March 2014, 13:11

Originally Posted by Edbear

Soon they will realise you can't eat money.

True you can't eat money but it is an effective method of exchange and you can eat what you exchange it for! The basic system works!

Controlling and giving money itself usuristic overvalue by falsely creating scarcity is criminal even though the banks do it under protection of the "law"?

**Edbear** · 17th March 2014, 13:20

Originally Posted by oldrider

True you can't eat money but it is an effective method of exchange and you can eat what you exchange it for! The basic system works!

Controlling and giving money itself usuristic overvalue by falsely creating scarcity is criminal even though the banks do it under protection of the "law"?

Therein is the issue. We can't double or triple the Earth's resources and no nation is going to reduce its demand by 1/3 each 10 years, so food production will simply not keep up with demand. There won't be the necessities of life to buy.

Anyone who thinks food is expensive now is in for a shock. Massive crop failures are only a matter of time, too. With the move to fewer varieties and more reliance on a limited range plus the generations of GM crops, it would only take one serious crop failure to cause a famine.

**bogan** · 17th March 2014, 13:27

Originally Posted by Edbear

Therein is the issue. We can't double or triple the Earth's resources and no nation is going to reduce its demand by 1/3 each 10 years, so food production will simply not keep up with demand.

In 40 years we increased production by 2.4x, so, it isn't as impossible as you might think

MD · 17th March 2014, 14:10

I hope NASA didn't pay him too much for that dribble. As John Cleese once famously said, you must hold a Masters Degree in the bleeding obvious?

It all boils down to over population. Spot the trouble spots on that chart, Africa and USSR and it's neighbours 'Whatever-a-stan'. Africa, where they breed faster than I can type about it. What the hells that all about. You live in a barren desert that is obviously unable to support crops or animals, so your answer is to have a dozen kids and see if that improves the situation?

As unsavoury as the term population control is, it's better than burying your head in the sand with fingers crossed expecting our finite resources to somehow, miraculously, forever sustain our exponential growth.

**bogan** · 17th March 2014, 14:17

Originally Posted by MD

I hope NASA didn't pay him too much for that dribble. As John Cleese once famously said, you must hold a Masters Degree in the bleeding obvious?

It all boils down to over population. Spot the trouble spots on that chart, Africa and USSR and it's neighbours 'Whatever-a-stan'. Africa, where they breed faster than I can type about it. What the hells that all about. You live in a barren desert that is obviously unable to support crops or animals, so your answer is to have a dozen kids and see if that improves the situation?

As unsavoury as the term population control is, it's better than burying your head in the sand with fingers crossed expecting our finite resources to somehow, miraculously, forever sustain our exponential growth.

Exactly, one simple change and shit will be all G. Question is when and how will that change come in; I really doubt the how would be a collapse of civilisation though.

**puddytat** · 17th March 2014, 14:35

Its our own fault.
Best to do what little you can to help you & yours.
Politics will never solve it.
Oh....& good luck to you all.

**Akzle** · 17th March 2014, 14:40

Originally Posted by MD

It all boils down to over population. Spot the trouble spots on that chart, Africa and USSR and it's neighbours 'Whatever-a-stan'. Africa, where they breed faster than I can type about it. What the hells that all about. You live in a barren desert that is obviously unable to support crops or animals, so your answer is to have a dozen kids and see if that improves the situation?

wow. Thats some ignorant cracker shit.

Persons in africa et al, probably live and die a much more environmentally friendly manner than you.

Now and then cute maps are released showing how much the average citizen per country consumes, as compared to the land/water/air area required to sustain that lifestyle.
Invariably, cracker countrys with jew banks, use >3x the resources they have.

Last i heard the 'average' (read: probably a fkn aucklander) kiwi needed 1.5 acres to sustain their life.
Im sweet, im looking after more land than that, and i consume much less than the average. My existence is not a tax to the planet. Carbon positive. Maybe i can get some tax credits.
How much land you on, champ?

**oldrider** · 17th March 2014, 14:54

Originally Posted by Edbear

Therein is the issue. We can't double or triple the Earth's resources and no nation is going to reduce its demand by 1/3 each 10 years, so food production will simply not keep up with demand. There won't be the necessities of life to buy.

Anyone who thinks food is expensive now is in for a shock. Massive crop failures are only a matter of time, too. With the move to fewer varieties and more reliance on a limited range plus the generations of GM crops, it would only take one serious crop failure to cause a famine.

You are absolutely right Ed and to back it up you only have to read a bit of Roman history ... they were saying the same thing!

**PrincessBandit** · 17th March 2014, 14:57

Originally Posted by MD

As unsavoury as the term population control is, it's better than burying your head in the sand with fingers crossed expecting our finite resources to somehow, miraculously, forever sustain our exponential growth.

Is that you Dan Brown?

**mashman** · 17th March 2014, 15:24

Originally Posted by Voltaire

Lake Taupo has: Lots of water

And the rest of the world and their armies know that. You've seen what they'll do in search of oil. Reckon they'll keep the population of Taupo/NZ alive when they come for the water i the name of being humanitarian?

**mashman** · 17th March 2014, 15:24

Originally Posted by oldrider

The basic system works!

Bullshit, cough cough, bullshit, cough.

**bogan** · 17th March 2014, 15:32

Originally Posted by mashman

And the rest of the world and their armies know that. You've seen what they'll do in search of oil. Reckon they'll keep the population of Taupo/NZ alive when they come for the water i the name of being humanitarian?

I reckon at least they might be smart enough to check wikipedia first. Over 115x more fresh water is in ground water than it is lakes, and there is still over twice that in glaciers, and still almost 50x that waiting for cheap desalinization tech to come along...

So the taupo taniwha has absolutely nothing to fear from thirsty americans