Collapse of civilisation (one for Akzle)

[MD]

Is that you Dan Brown?

I don't get your gibe? Please explain, I hate to miss the humour in sarcasm, even when it's at me.

Are you implying that my comment is fictional or somehow revolves around religion?

Do you believe the planet can forever produce more fuel, food, oxygen and more land for us to live on. Maybe we can drain the oceans and grow rice on the peak of Mt Everest.

Do you not believe mankind is increasing in numbers?

[MD]

wow. Thats some ignorant cracker shit.

Persons in africa et al, probably live and die a much more environmentally friendly manner than you.

Now and then cute maps are released showing how much the average citizen per country consumes, as compared to the land/water/air area required to sustain that lifestyle.
Invariably, cracker countrys with jew banks, use >3x the resources they have.

Last i heard the 'average' (read: probably a fkn aucklander) kiwi needed 1.5 acres to sustain their life.
Im sweet, im looking after more land than that, and i consume much less than the average. My existence is not a tax to the planet. Carbon positive. Maybe i can get some tax credits.
How much land you on, champ?

Agreed people in poverty stricken countries eat less than us lucky enough to be born in rich ole NZ and they don't drive gas guzzling, polluting SUVs. But they are still trying to live on land that simply isn't liveable, such as Ethiopia or Somalia into year 40 something of a ten year drought ( OK I just made those numbers up but I'm confident they aren't the fruit bowl of Northern Africa)

Hey I grew some veges once but they grow cheaper and easier at the Supermarket and I don't want to put farmers out of business. We'll need them we the world starves.

[mashman]

I reckon at least they might be smart enough to check wikipedia first. Over 115x more fresh water is in ground water than it is lakes, and there is still over twice that in glaciers, and still almost 50x that waiting for cheap desalinization tech to come along...

So the taupo taniwha has absolutely nothing to fear from thirsty americans

Yet we still have water shortages across the globe. I'll remember to throw wiki in the council dudes face when he comes to tell me off for lavishly watering my lawn.

@waiting for tech to become more affordable. You mean progress is hampered because there isn't enough money ... mind boggling.

It's time will come... if it isn't doesn't become sulfurous first.

Hang on I said the "Basic" system not the system we are forced to use for someone elses benefit! Just like ACC ... the basic system worked!

I know you did, and I laughed. I doesn't solve the consumerism problem, which is gonna be the trigger for collapse... let alone address the problems in regards to future mechanisation, lack of jobs, healthcare funding, education funding, resource wastage, the financial criminal element, desalination plants etc... ya know, the important stuff. If money is to be lauded as the measure of what you are worth to some arbitrary market, then it will do nothing to address the main issues.

[PrincessBandit]

I don't get your gibe? Please explain, I hate to miss the humour in sarcasm, even when it's at me.

Are you implying that my comment is fictional or somehow revolves around religion?

Do you believe the planet can forever produce more fuel, food, oxygen and more land for us to live on. Maybe we can drain the oceans and grow rice on the peak of Mt Everest.

Do you not believe mankind is increasing in numbers?

Have you not read "Inferno"? If not, long story short, scientist creates water dispersed virus that renders a third (or was it two thirds, I can't remember) of the world's population infertile in an effort to curb the exponentially increasing number of people consuming the planet's resources. So they're not sick or anything, just unable to reproduce, leaving a much smaller number who can.

[MD]

Have you not read "Inferno"? If not, long story short, scientist creates water dispersed virus that renders a third (or was it two thirds, I can't remember) of the world's population infertile in an effort to curb the exponentially increasing number of people consuming the planet's resources. So they're not sick or anything, just unable to reproduce, leaving a much smaller number who can.

Cheers PB. I hadn't heard of that book. That's a good idea then. No killing or dying, no pain or suffering, no hunger, just less babies and less used nappies filling our tips. Damn those things stink.

[bogan]

Yet we still have water shortages across the globe. I'll remember to throw wiki in the council dudes face when he comes to tell me off for lavishly watering my lawn.

@waiting for tech to become more affordable. You mean progress is hampered because there isn't enough money ... mind boggling.

You know how we have never been invaded for oil right? Same reason we won't be invaded for lake fucking taupo

It's the energy cost that is unafordable you muppet

[Akzle]

Have you not read "Inferno"? If not, long story short, scientist creates water dispersed virus that renders a third (or was it two thirds, I can't remember) of the world's population infertile in an effort to curb the exponentially increasing number of people consuming the planet's resources. So they're not sick or anything, just unable to reproduce, leaving a much smaller number who can.

try some esoteric agenda.

[mashman]

You know how we have never been invaded for oil right? Same reason we won't be invaded for lake fucking taupo

It's the energy cost that is unafordable you muppet

Yes, but many other country's have been invaded for oil.

Yet plenty of country's around the world have them. Perhaps the need for water overrides the energy that they are willing to expend in order to get the water. Nah, that'd be stupid eh .

[Edbear]

Agreed people in poverty stricken countries eat less than us lucky enough to be born in rich ole NZ and they don't drive gas guzzling, polluting SUVs. But they are still trying to live on land that simply isn't liveable, such as Ethiopia or Somalia into year 40 something of a ten year drought ( OK I just made those numbers up but I'm confident they aren't the fruit bowl of Northern Africa)

Hey I grew some veges once but they grow cheaper and easier at the Supermarket and I don't want to put farmers out of business. We'll need them we the world starves.

The main issue right now, is management. The world is producing enough to feed at least double its present population, yet 25% of the world's population is undernourished or starving. Some years ago it was estimated that if only 1% of the arms budget was spent on eradicating hunger, everyone on the planet would have enough to eat.

However, the reality now is that this will change over the next decade or so. NZ and Australia are incredibly isolated from these issues so far, and we don't really get a grasp on the magnitude of it for the rest of the world without either travelling there or doing a lot of research. Talking with immigrants and visitors from all over the world, from Europe to the Sudan, from SA to England, from all walks of life and professions, you get the impression we haven't got a clue how bad it really is.

[mashman]

Have you not read "Inferno"? If not, long story short, scientist creates water dispersed virus that renders a third (or was it two thirds, I can't remember) of the world's population infertile in an effort to curb the exponentially increasing number of people consuming the planet's resources. So they're not sick or anything, just unable to reproduce, leaving a much smaller number who can.

What was the criteria used for where the virus was dispersed? Or should I ask, what criteria was used in order to qualify for the vaccine and be allowed to reproduce?

[bogan]

Yes, but many other country's have been invaded for oil.

Yet plenty of country's around the world have them. Perhaps the need for water overrides the energy that they are willing to expend in order to get the water. Nah, that'd be stupid eh .

Exactly, now that we've cleared up why taupo isn't at risk from invasion...

Mint, so there's no point in water shortage or wars for it, we can just desalinate the oceans

[PrincessBandit]

try some esoteric agenda.

Neh.

What was the criteria used for where the virus was dispersed? Or should I ask, what criteria was used in order to qualify for the vaccine and be allowed to reproduce?

The fictional (just for further clarification) book had the resourceful Professor Langdon and a variety of different motivated assistants hunting for the virus which was going to be released illegally. The ending of the story has him not making it in time and the agent being released and unable to be stopped.

Anything that appears in fiction is probably being developed in secret somewhere!

[mashman]

Exactly, now that we've cleared up why taupo isn't at risk from invasion...

Mint, so there's no point in water shortage or wars for it, we can just desalinate the oceans

bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa.

Only if there's affordable energy available to power the plant... apparently. That and we have water shortages and there has been "war" waged over water in other areas of the globe. I'd rather see a proactive approach, but alas, it's too expensive

[mashman]

The fictional (just for further clarification) book had the resourceful Professor Langdon and a variety of different motivated assistants hunting for the virus which was going to be released illegally. The ending of the story has him not making it in time and the agent being released and unable to be stopped.

Anything that appears in fiction is probably being developed in secret somewhere!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Let me know what happens in the follow up novel would ya

Ok, ok, you've earned a tin foil hat.

[blue rider]

What was the criteria used for where the virus was dispersed? Or should I ask, what criteria was used in order to qualify for the vaccine and be allowed to reproduce?

good reproduction

http://www.duggarfamily.com/


not good reproduction any one else


If we consider over population an issue, how come the Forced Birthers or Pro Lifers are so prominent? It is ok to render sterile or impotent someone on the grounds of over population, but on the other side we argue that Life begins at conception and abortion or pill or any other method of birth control is against gods wishes?
And how will organised religion deal with the fact that if peeps can't have children any more due to mass sterilisation even if they are married, are they still allowed to have sex, but finally can admit that they do it for fun and not procreation?