So when will the sharemarket crash in 2014?

**Mike.Gayner** · 12th December 2014, 21:33

Correct Winston. As they say, in the long run we're all dead. No sense in waiting for that.

But there's no convincing the average KB conspiracy nut.

**mashman** · 12th December 2014, 22:29

Originally Posted by Winston001

People may not realise that the idea of the government making new moey is a revolutionary idea. The classical Adam Smith model of economics held that there was no artificial expansion in the moeny supply and that hard times for ordinary people was normal.

Maynard Keynes proposed a brand new theory when he said that governments should spend, borrow, amd print money to ease people through times when they would otherwise lose their homes and starve. A very left wing socialist idea but it has ben proven to work.

The New Deal in the USA after the 1929 Great Depression is the poster child for Keynsian economics.

Those who argue against borrowing and printing money don't realise they are reverting to 19 century lassier faire economics which is brutal. Eat or die.

Times change. New economic models are required.

He also said that we should be working a 15 hour week by now. Sounds like a sensible thing to expect for the future of ones economy. Ach I hate those left wing nonsense label things when talking about people's lives and quality of life.

I'm sure it fitted the times.

Really? We're suddenly going to go backwards because we've given up printing money? I don't think we will at all. I know that we will thrive in an environment where cooperation is required to maintain development. It's only brutal if it's an eat or die competition. 19th Century? nah, more like that which a real 21st century should be like.

**avgas** · 13th December 2014, 02:50

Originally Posted by Voltaire

The Documentaries I have watched on Walmarts must have been made up then.

Wallmart is just full of people who graduated from Huntly/Gore College.

**Ocean1** · 13th December 2014, 07:48

Originally Posted by mashman

He also said that we should be working a 15 hour week by now.

And we would be, if we expected just the same standard of living.

But the fact is the standard of living has more than doubled since then.

And most don't work anywhere near as hard as their parents did.

**mashman** · 13th December 2014, 08:08

Originally Posted by Ocean1

And we would be, if we expected just the same standard of living.

But the fact is the standard of living has more than doubled since then.

And most don't work anywhere near as hard as their parents did.

Roobish. Absoloote roobish.

Access to more stuff. Yay, go us.

I care not.

**Ocean1** · 13th December 2014, 08:39

Originally Posted by mashman

Roobish. Absoloote roobish.

Access to more stuff. Yay, go us.

I care not.

Oh I dunno, you cared enough to break a new record in how to contradict yourself in the fewest possible words.

Access to more stuff is what defines a better standard of living, fool. And if you wanted the same items your grandparents had then you'd most certainly be doing a fucking sight less work to get them now than they did.

**mashman** · 13th December 2014, 10:32

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Oh I dunno, you cared enough to break a new record in how to contradict yourself in the fewest possible words.

Access to more stuff is what defines a better standard of living, fool. And if you wanted the same items your grandparents had then you'd most certainly be doing a fucking sight less work to get them now than they did.

What contradiction record have you decided that I have made this time?

Does it? Like I said, higher bar.

**scumdog** · 13th December 2014, 11:03

Originally Posted by mashman

Roobish. Absoloote roobish.

Access to more stuff. Yay, go us.

I care not.

So you'll be handing in your access to the internet then?

Seeing as how you care not about access to more stuff.

(Maybe this is one of those 'contradictions' mentioned by Ocean1??)

**bogan** · 13th December 2014, 11:07

Originally Posted by scumdog

So you'll be handing in your access to the internet then?

Seeing as how you care not about access to more stuff.

(Maybe this is one of those 'contradictions' mentioned by Ocean1??)

Woah, woah, let's not get carried away. Start with the small stuff like lowing life expectancy back to the old timer's levels; wee sprinkle of lead on the old morning cornies should sort that out...

**Brian d marge** · 13th December 2014, 13:20

Originally Posted by Ocean1

And we would be, if we expected just the same standard of living.

But the fact is the standard of living has more than doubled since then.

And most don't work anywhere near as hard as their parents did.

o really . .

you do know there has been a man on moon of late

**mashman** · 13th December 2014, 13:30

Originally Posted by scumdog

So you'll be handing in your access to the internet then?

Seeing as how you care not about access to more stuff.

(Maybe this is one of those 'contradictions' mentioned by Ocean1??)

Why? Someone made it. It's useful. So it's there to be accessed. It should be free.

... I see no contradiction.

**Ocean1** · 13th December 2014, 13:33

Originally Posted by scumdog

So you'll be handing in your access to the internet then?

Seeing as how you care not about access to more stuff.

(Maybe this is one of those 'contradictions' mentioned by Ocean1??)

Probably fits more with the hypocrisy thing mentioned by Ocean1.

But, y'know, he is a multi-fail opportunist, he can pack a dozen into a single sentence.