So when will the sharemarket crash in 2014?

**mashman** · 28th March 2014, 11:58

Originally Posted by Oscar

Er...perhaps I went off a bit hard.
There are those here who use the word "sheeple" to describe the average working stiff who just happens to disagree with their wacko theories (theoeries such as: dispensing with money as a unit of exchange, and the 911 drongos) It's just intellectually lazy.
The use of terms like "sheeple" do tend to make you look like you're trying to place yourself above the herd, but in your case I'll assume you were directing at a specific instance.

My apologies for hurting your feelings.

Helllllooooooo dear friend. You rang.

Calling someone a sheeple has nothing to do with my wacko theory. So you're wrong.
Intellectually lazy is accepting and defending what is despite evidence to the contrary (be it anecdotal or not) and then pissing on any alternative because you know no better a.k.a. sheeple. They also don't recognise themselves as sheeple because they're about as pompous as you can possibly imagine. You are an amusing irrelevance. Oh, you're also a sheeple. (BTW, being sheeple does not mean that you are a lesser anything in any way shape or form... becha just don't understand that do ya).

... your projection is always amusing.

**bogan** · 28th March 2014, 12:02

Originally Posted by mashman

Intellectually lazy is accepting and defending what is despite evidence to the contrary (be it anecdotal or not) and then pissing on any alternative because you know no better a.k.a. sheeple.

So how are those million dollar hammers selling? Still a good idea is it?

Intellectual laziness has nothing to do with what is and what is not, it has everything to do with the reasoning behind either though.

**nodrog:Me** · 28th March 2014, 12:10

Originally Posted by Brian d marge

Challenge the TINA ( there is no alternative ) .....

Good luck with that.

**mashman** · 28th March 2014, 12:23

Originally Posted by bogan

So how are those million dollar hammers selling? Still a good idea is it?

Intellectual laziness has nothing to do with what is and what is not, it has everything to do with the reasoning behind either though.

Yup.

Which you have proven you are unwilling to test against your own methods using your own brain to get around any perceived issues. Instead you dismiss my knowing on the basis that 1 person can't give you the answers you seek. Highly amusing. I've got just over 6 years of thinking about this under my belt and despite the open invitation to prove me wrong, the best any of you can do is try to highlight a lack of knowledge in regards to the current financial system and destroy the message by destroying the messenger on that basis. That is an awesome display of intellectual laziness (propaganda 101) and you have done neither, in fact you have done what you claim that I have to you and have strengthened my resolve.

**bogan** · 28th March 2014, 12:26

Originally Posted by mashman

Yup.

Which you have proven you are unwilling to test against your own methods using your own brain to get around any perceived issues. Instead you dismiss my knowing on the basis that 1 person can't give you the answers you seek. Highly amusing. I've got just over 6 years of thinking about this under my belt and despite the open invitation to prove me wrong, the best any of you can do is try to highlight a lack of knowledge in regards to the current financial system and destroy the message by destroying the messenger on that basis. That is an awesome display of intellectual laziness (propaganda 101) and you have done neither, in fact you have done what you claim that I have to you and have strengthened my resolve.

So what exactly is the million dollar hammer business a front for? money printing, or taxation? We narrowed it down to one of the two by going through simple numerical examples; unless you want to try again for a third option?
The ironic thing is that I've demolished your plans within the bounds of a moneyless society, but you dismiss my logic as irrelevant because I prefer money to the tripe you're pushing.

**Oscar** · 28th March 2014, 12:41

Originally Posted by mashman

Helllllooooooo dear friend. You rang.

Calling someone a sheeple has nothing to do with my wacko theory. So you're wrong.
Intellectually lazy is accepting and defending what is despite evidence to the contrary (be it anecdotal or not) and then pissing on any alternative because you know no better a.k.a. sheeple. They also don't recognise themselves as sheeple because they're about as pompous as you can possibly imagine. You are an amusing irrelevance. Oh, you're also a sheeple. (BTW, being sheeple does not mean that you are a lesser anything in any way shape or form... becha just don't understand that do ya).

... your projection is always amusing.

Thank you, you proved my point excellently.

**Brian d marge** · 28th March 2014, 12:47

Originally Posted by nodrog

Good luck with that.

dont worry Ive covered my arse a long time ago. One person cannot change the world but he can influence those he loves .

have gone beyond debating the nuts and bolts now , though if a question arises, such as this one When will things hit the fan. It leads to some reading for me and thats interesting. Reading a wonderful book at the moment " when money dies " about the Wiemar republic.

We all laugh and joke about the government , but the RBNZ is being quite responsible ( none of the shenanigans that America has been up to ! )

Yes there will be a correction IMHO , no I couldn’t say when i.e. September but when the "true" indicators start to have a life of their own , it will spiral in a very Greek way !

I dont want to be caught up in any of that mess. ( unless I am shopping for a big screen tv)

p.s off top of head , When a few aristros lost their heads a few years back in frog land. The gini was about 0.62 and bread was 15 sous or half a days wage for a skilled worker

we havent arrived at that point yet.

a good doco from bbc

Stephen

**mashman** · 28th March 2014, 12:47

Originally Posted by bogan

So what exactly is the million dollar hammer business a front for? money printing, or taxation? We narrowed it down to one of the two by going through simple numerical examples; unless you want to try again for a third option?
The ironic thing is that I've demolished your plans within the bounds of a moneyless society, but you dismiss my logic as irrelevant because I prefer money to the tripe you're pushing.

Stretch your mental legs. Put yourself in the position of wanting a NOW. There is always more than 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 options as one of the things I haven't thrown into the mix is that you get to re-write the rules of how your economy works... but I thought you'd figure that out for yourself, mainly under the premise that I thought, mistakenly, that you would put yourself into a position of wanting a NOW in order to find the real flaws. The only flaw there is and will ever be is people not wanting it or not taking part. Everything else is all but superfluous.
You've demolished absolutely nothing. It has nothing to do with what you claim to be your logic and preference for a financial system, you simply haven't put yourself in the position of weighing both sides. That is more than evident and given that you have a serious hard on for scientific method, how can you claim to debunk that which you clearly won't make an effort to understand. Not only that, you're dismissing that anyone other than me would want to live in an R.B.E. There are millions of people around the world who understand and want such a system. And you call yourself scientific? Pulease... logic and reason based on the so call demolition of 1 person's suggestions? You've got to be shitting me. As always, I remain open minded and ever full of hope that you'll take that step and question yourself against yourself.

**mashman** · 28th March 2014, 12:48

Originally Posted by Oscar

Thank you, you proved my point excellently.

You've got nothing again.

**bogan** · 28th March 2014, 12:50

Originally Posted by mashman

Stretch your mental legs. Put yourself in the position of wanting a NOW. There is always more than 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 options as one of the things I haven't thrown into the mix is that you get to re-write the rules of how your economy works... but I thought you'd figure that out for yourself, mainly under the premise that I thought, mistakenly, that you would put yourself into a position of wanting a NOW in order to find the real flaws. The only flaw there is and will ever be is people not wanting it or not taking part. Everything else is all but superfluous.
You've demolished absolutely nothing. It has nothing to do with what you claim to be your logic and preference for a financial system, you simply haven't put yourself in the position of weighing both sides. That is more than evident and given that you have a serious hard on for scientific method, how can you claim to debunk that which you clearly won't make an effort to understand. Not only that, you're dismissing that anyone other than me would want to live in an R.B.E. There are millions of people around the world who understand and want such a system. And you call yourself scientific? Pulease... logic and reason based on the so call demolition of 1 person's suggestions? You've got to be shitting me. As always, I remain open minded and ever full of hope that you'll take that step and question yourself against yourself.

This ain't hogwarts, either you can prove you can pay off debt by the numbers (the rest of the world still works by the numbers remember), or you can't.

**Oscar** · 28th March 2014, 12:50

Originally Posted by mashman

You've got nothing again.

Au contraire mon ami - I've got lots.
I can make you carry on like a pompous, stupid git at will.

**mashman** · 28th March 2014, 14:30

Originally Posted by bogan

This ain't hogwarts, either you can prove you can pay off debt by the numbers (the rest of the world still works by the numbers remember), or you can't.

Considering I will be using the exact same mechanisms that currently exist, with the option of re-writing a few rules and million $ hammers... we'd be in a better position than most to be able to do just that things. I see you're too afraid to question yourself.

Originally Posted by Oscar

Au contraire mon ami - I've got lots.
I can make you carry on like a pompous, stupid git at will.

Pas le case mon frere,
Given that you can't stop yourself from doing that very thing, your projection will be welcomed to howls of laughter. You simply don't have that power.