Govt 'covering up' school funding plan

**bogan** · 24th March 2014, 12:26

Originally Posted by mashman

I am though... just not in the way you understand it

Jesus Christ mashy, I've passed bits of corn that are more articulate than you

**mashman** · 24th March 2014, 12:47

Originally Posted by bogan

Jesus Christ mashy, I've passed bits of corn that are more articulate than you

You talk to your corn infested shit? Explains a lot.

**bogan** · 24th March 2014, 12:58

Originally Posted by mashman

You talk to your corn infested shit? Explains a lot.

C'mon bud, don't be so close-minded; the ability for us to see/listen to and understand things we come across in everyday life is what makes us top of the food chain. It's like that saying "The eyes/ears are useless when the mind is blind", so take off your blinkers and reach for enlightenment

**MSTRS:Me** · 24th March 2014, 12:59

Originally Posted by mashman

IT's (pun intended) obvious that I'm a teacher? Odd, I thought I was an analyst/programmer. .

So...not a teacher. An IT geek. Well done you :sarcasmsmiley:

Actually, now that you mention it (I'm more than happy for others to make my mind up for me) it seems that you won't argue with the title of Incipient Communist if I bestow that upon you. Because anyone that believes extra effort/ability leading to better results does not deserve extra reward must be a filthy mediocrity-loving commie bastard.

**mashman** · 24th March 2014, 13:12

Originally Posted by MSTRS

So...not a teacher. An IT geek. Well done you :sarcasmsmiley:

Actually, now that you mention it (I'm more than happy for others to make my mind up for me) it seems that you won't argue with the title of Incipient Communist if I bestow that upon you. Because anyone that believes extra effort/ability leading to better results does not deserve extra reward must be a filthy mediocrity-loving commie bastard.

Not a geek, an analyst/programmer... there's a difference.

@my new title... thanks. What are these better results and who are those better results benefiting?

@my new job description, with you not at you... are you saying that you only ever go the extra mile because you expect to be rewarded for it? otherwise you wouldn't bother? If so, then where did you get that idea from? Plenty of us go the extra mile because the extra mile is required in order to facilitate others and we do so without the need to be rewarded. Nothing commie in that. I'd call that a benevolent choice

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Reward me or else! That's what I'm hearing, as well as what I hear from corporates wanting their way, politicians wanting their way, meme away with monkey's and peanuts et voila the perfect entitlement complex backed by society and well within the limits of the law. Although you'd better hope that that can't be taken as blackmail.

**bogan** · 24th March 2014, 13:20

Originally Posted by mashman

Plenty of us go the extra mile because the extra mile is required in order to facilitate others and we do so without the need to be rewarded.

I seem to recall you saying you'd taken an hours cut at your job; is perhaps going the extra mile not applicable to such a circumstance?

**MSTRS:Me** · 24th March 2014, 14:30

Originally Posted by mashman

... Plenty of us go the extra mile because the extra mile is required in order to facilitate others and we do so without the need to be rewarded. Nothing commie in that. ...

Good on you, if you choose to, presumably so you can feel like you are not surfing on the coat-tails of your colleagues. Not everyone is as magnanimous. Many resent doing more than their 'share' for same reward as the lazy or incompetent bastards that cadge a ride. Which is the only point I am trying to make here.

**mashman** · 24th March 2014, 15:10

Originally Posted by bogan

C'mon bud, don't be so close-minded; the ability for us to see/listen to and understand things we come across in everyday life is what makes us top of the food chain. It's like that saying "The eyes/ears are useless when the mind is blind", so take off your blinkers and reach for enlightenment

I was just surprised that you talked to shitcorn.

Originally Posted by bogan

I seem to recall you saying you'd taken an hours cut at your job; is perhaps going the extra mile not applicable to such a circumstance?

What do you mean? Yes I negotiated a cut in my working hours, but not sure what that second part meant.

**bogan** · 24th March 2014, 15:14

Originally Posted by mashman

What do you mean? Yes I negotiated a cut in my working hours, but not sure what that second part meant.

Just that those going the extra mile tend to work more hours, not less. Or do you put more into the hours you do work than other's would? How much hours do you work now anyway?

**mashman** · 24th March 2014, 15:26

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Good on you, if you choose to, presumably so you can feel like you are not surfing on the coat-tails of your colleagues. Not everyone is as magnanimous. Many resent doing more than their 'share' for same reward as the lazy or incompetent bastards that cadge a ride. Which is the only point I am trying to make here.

Nah I surf on their coat-tails too, as they do on mine. lol@magnanimous... nothing really to do with it, tis merely an acceptance than I will be better than some and some will be better than me and neither should be penalised or rewarded for relying on each other, because we do rely on each other. I know some resent that too, I live with one who thinks the same and has raised the issue and I can understand why she feels that way and understand the point you are making, but all that people seem to want is for the lazy bastard to be punished in some form or another in order for that lazy bastard to bring themselves up to their level and for what? To feel as though they're not being taken advantage of? Perhaps some see more potential in your wife and don't believe that she's living up to it. How would that make her feel given that she believes she is the pick of the bunch? I don't think she should be penalised either if that's the case, but whatever happened to pride in doing the job? Why do we supposedly seek reward? I'd venture that we've been educated to think that way and instead of doing things because they need to be done, we do them to get ahead, or to increase our income, or to feel valued over another etc... Why not do what you do and get on with it without having to peg people back or revere them due to your own perceived greatness/shortcomings? We have been indoctrinated and educated in such a way that reward behaviour is the norm. I am changing that with my kids as I see it as an inherently flawed mechanism for the future mental health of my kids. blah blah blah

**mashman** · 24th March 2014, 15:29

Originally Posted by bogan

Just that those going the extra mile tend to work more hours, not less. Or do you put more into the hours you do work than other's would? How much hours do you work now anyway?

I work 6.5 hours a day and I'm in the office from 7:30 - 3:00. I eat my lunch at my desk and field calls as and when needed whether I'm in the office or not. I have pulled all nighters, I have worked almost a weeks worth of hours over a weekend and I have not been asked to be compensated for it. It is my job. What others do with their day is what others do with their day, meh.

**MSTRS:Me** · 24th March 2014, 15:34

Originally Posted by mashman

... but all that people seem to want is for the lazy bastard to be punished in some form or another...

Not me. I'd like to see them fall behind by not being rewarded. And those that do the extra stuff/are more effective ARE rewarded in some tangible way.
It's the parable of the ant and the grasshopper...

**bogan** · 24th March 2014, 15:38

Originally Posted by mashman

I work 6.5 hours a day and I'm in the office from 7:30 - 3:00. I eat my lunch at my desk and field calls as and when needed whether I'm in the office or not. I have pulled all nighters, I have worked almost a weeks worth of hours over a weekend and I have not been asked to be compensated for it. It is my job. What others do with their day is what others do with their day, meh.

Sounds a lot like a minimum effort a teacher would put in (and yeh, they're on salary too). Not what I'd call going the extra mile.

**mashman** · 24th March 2014, 16:29

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Not me. I'd like to see them fall behind by not being rewarded. And those that do the extra stuff/are more effective ARE rewarded in some tangible way.
It's the parable of the ant and the grasshopper...

Ok, so say that happens and the lazy bastards pulls finger and is up to the level of others because he was disgruntled at being left behind as he wasn;t rewarded. At that point you're happy for none one of them to ever be rewarded again?
We're not ants or grasshoppers.