Govt 'covering up' school funding plan

[bogan]

You're no different to anyone in the UK in regards to ratio of lazy and/or not so. Amusing that you think such a characteristic is intrinsically kiwi. My little tanty, as you call it, could quite easily have been directed at absolutely any nation. That may surprise you.

Never said we were, just that the image of your typical kiwi bloke sure as shit isn't lazy. Also it's not the only kiwi characteristic, diy is also one we hold in high esteem, and being down to earth, and gumboots. I have a pair of gumboots and workboots at my house, do you?

Your little tanty, for all the good it done could have been directed at a wall. It also mentioned NZ in a number of places so I think it would have lost what shred of coherency it might have held if you were to direct it at another nation.

See how well you're doing today; told us you'd use million dollar hammers to take our wealth, threatened those who disagreed with execution, and called anyone who works for their money a non-NZ parasite. More winning hearts and minds over to your cause tomorrow then?

[jonbuoy]

You're no different to anyone in the UK in regards to ratio of lazy and/or not so. Amusing that you think such a characteristic is intrinsically kiwi. My little tanty, as you call it, could quite easily have been directed at absolutely any nation. That may surprise you.



I could get more free in the UK than I can here yet you don't see me running back there. Does that make it a first+ world country? I am grateful for a great many things, but being "allowed" in to any given country, anyone can do it if they have the qualifications and/or money to get through the visa process. What's so special about that? That I can afford it? That says more about the state of the rest of the world than it does about my earthly movements (I do love a good earthly movement). I would like to see every country as a first world country. The only reason that cannot currently be achieved is money. That's a fact.

No bad management and poor education stops other countries becoming first world countries.

In the first world country you were born in you were given the opportunity to get enough education to be considered an asset to another country and managed to save enough money to make the trip. Not everyone is in that position so yes you are privileged. You don´t seem to be too grateful for anything your constantly whining about the current system we have. You always seem to want to work less and get more. Ending third world poverty can be done within the current system, its not that some countries are poor in "money" or "resources" its just badly managed.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...million-in-aid

[avgas]

Amusing as I did the very same thing the other night whilst helping middle daughter come to grips with how to add and take away numbers. The current way confuses her.

I am going to dissagree with the dad. It does make sense. If the kid doesn't know what a number means they need to break it down.

It may sound strange - but numbers change. We can't fall back to this is what I know so I refuse to look at this another way (like what the father did).
What would have happened if the number was in hex? coded negative? Braille? Cyrillic? Inverted?

Having a cry about doing kids homework because he can't learn and new method..........I think he has missed the point of the homework. Hate to see what happens when the kid comes home with homework that could challenge his faith in something else.....burn the school down?

Tolerance and open eyes when it comes to education. Not "I have a degree so I know better"......I have an education, but people respect me for my ability to learn......

He could have taught his kid to learn the school way, and his way......but instead he had a cry about it and his kid learnt jack shit.

[TheDemonLord]

You speak for everyone then. In which case you're wrong.

Yes, we have been over this - you seem to think that everyone will be nice to each other and share, I think everyone is a cunt - History favours my position... Even to the point of pre-dating money as we know it.

You get invited to own a ferrari... unless you're talking second hand, in which case that may well depend on how friendly you are with the dealer when he gets some stock in.

In order for one person to own a ferrari, several people have to go without a car/something. Because the core of your R.B.E is that everyone gets what they need - there will be no Ferraris (because one person owning a Ferrari at the expense of other people having something violates what NOW and other systems are trying to achieve)

Since there are now no Ferraris - Consumer choice has been diminished (a choice that was previously availible is now unavailible)

Next issue - since a Ferrari is an invitation only - there will be no dealerships (there is no point)

Next issue - how in a RBE do you decide who gets invited to own one and who doesn't? - I think you will find that all the executives of El Banko NZo curiously would have them, but no one else would (as tends to happen in similar situations)

Finally - if a Second Hand ferrari (a desirable object) is free to whoever gets it first - how will this stop theft (which was one of the other selling points of Now)? - I see a Ferrari at my neighbours house - he got it because he was sucking off the 2nd hand car Dealer (or some other form of none monetary bribery/corruption) and I take it - because I am a cunt and I want to drive a ferrari and since it doesn't cause him any financial loss - why would I care? he can just go to the dealer and get a different car at no cost?

[mashman]

Never said we were, just that the image of your typical kiwi bloke sure as shit isn't lazy. Also it's not the only kiwi characteristic, diy is also one we hold in high esteem, and being down to earth, and gumboots. I have a pair of gumboots and workboots at my house, do you?

Your little tanty, for all the good it done could have been directed at a wall. It also mentioned NZ in a number of places so I think it would have lost what shred of coherency it might have held if you were to direct it at another nation.

See how well you're doing today; told us you'd use million dollar hammers to take our wealth, threatened those who disagreed with execution, and called anyone who works for their money a non-NZ parasite. More winning hearts and minds over to your cause tomorrow then?

I do have gumboots and steel toed boots. I am more than happy to learn about electrical circuits or how to build a fence etc... and then go and do it. Tis something the average UK bloke also does.

Like I said, it could have been directed at any country. That you think it would have mattered what country was in there, well, let's say Artichoke.

Probably more of the same.

[avgas]

I thought you said you didn't get worked up by this stuff? I'm third generation kiwi btw, how long has your family been here?

Wrong. Your a 0 gen kiwi with that attitude.

We are an accepting people. Not inbred hillbillies.

You come to NZ to work, if you work....you're kiwi. All the rest is BS that was ingrained from the motherland - and if your hanging on to it....your affectionately a POM-in-a-grass-skirt. Not a kiwi.

[mashman]

No bad management and poor education stops other countries becoming first world countries.

In the first world country you were born in you were given the opportunity to get enough education to be considered an asset to another country and managed to save enough money to make the trip. Not everyone is in that position so yes you are privileged. You don´t seem to be too grateful for anything your constantly whining about the current system we have. You always seem to want to work less and get more. Ending third world poverty can be done within the current system, its not that some countries are poor in "money" or "resources" its just badly managed.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...million-in-aid

Have it your way.

The reason I'm whining about the current system is because the privilege I have should be available to everyone. As you say, I needed MONEY to be able to achieve such a thing. My pay has fallen in line with my hours as expected. So where is this less for more coming in? Ending third world? Ending poverty full stop will not be changed by putting in a benevolent leader. Every nation has poverty and under-privileged people, so don't tell me that the current system can be end poverty as it simply isn't true. I take it you've been reading about the surge in uptake of food bank usage in the UK. That's poverty. I suggest you watch some of the interviews of those using these food banks before you decide that it's supply driving demand.

So, money that could have gone to help people diverted to send a rocket to another planet. Why not, screw the money, let's look after the people AND send a rocket to Mars. I wonder how much earlier we may have sent that rocket had there not have been the issues of $.

[mashman]

I am going to dissagree with the dad. It does make sense. If the kid doesn't know what a number means they need to break it down.

It may sound strange - but numbers change. We can't fall back to this is what I know so I refuse to look at this another way (like what the father did).
What would have happened if the number was in hex? coded negative? Braille? Cyrillic? Inverted?

Having a cry about doing kids homework because he can't learn and new method..........I think he has missed the point of the homework. Hate to see what happens when the kid comes home with homework that could challenge his faith in something else.....burn the school down?

Tolerance and open eyes when it comes to education. Not "I have a degree so I know better"......I have an education, but people respect me for my ability to learn......

He could have taught his kid to learn the school way, and his way......but instead he had a cry about it and his kid learnt jack shit.

Fair enough too.

What about how the kid feels most comfortable? There is no choice in the method of how they learn how to use numbers... I think this is one of the biggest failures of our education institutes (not that I blame them), you ask a kid if they understand, they nod and we all go along happy. Kids, actually it's not limited to kids in the slightest, kids don't like to look stupid in front of their class mates, so they lie. I question my kids to death and find out exactly what they do know and between my wife and me, we fill in any of the blanks using whichever method fits best for the kid.

No one hat fits all does it?

[mashman]

Yes, we have been over this - you seem to think that everyone will be nice to each other and share, I think everyone is a cunt - History favours my position... Even to the point of pre-dating money as we know it.

No I don't. I seem to think that everyone will be nice and share with everyone they're already nice and sharing with. Hell, they might even be nicer and share with people they're usually cuntish towards. If history proves anything it's that history is a bad teacher.

In order for one person to own a ferrari, several people have to go without a car/something. Because the core of your R.B.E is that everyone gets what they need - there will be no Ferraris (because one person owning a Ferrari at the expense of other people having something violates what NOW and other systems are trying to achieve)

Since there are now no Ferraris - Consumer choice has been diminished (a choice that was previously availible is now unavailible)

Next issue - since a Ferrari is an invitation only - there will be no dealerships (there is no point)

Next issue - how in a RBE do you decide who gets invited to own one and who doesn't? - I think you will find that all the executives of El Banko NZo curiously would have them, but no one else would (as tends to happen in similar situations)

Finally - if a Second Hand ferrari (a desirable object) is free to whoever gets it first - how will this stop theft (which was one of the other selling points of Now)? - I see a Ferrari at my neighbours house - he got it because he was sucking off the 2nd hand car Dealer (or some other form of none monetary bribery/corruption) and I take it - because I am a cunt and I want to drive a ferrari and since it doesn't cause him any financial loss - why would I care? he can just go to the dealer and get a different car at no cost?

If there are resources to build Ferrari's, then Ferrari's will be built. There must be something earth shatteringly precious that a Ferrari uses in its construction. Do tell?

Moot.

No there wasn't, just a flippent remark.

Ferrari decide, they always have, why not continue in the same way. As for Banco el NZo, dunno how it will be comprised, but if they're all driving brand new Ferrari's, I'm sure questions will be asked by their shareholders.

You raise a good point (pun intended). Your neighbour will be well within his rights to go to the cops and lay a complaint, or blow the officer, and you may end up going to jail... or executed.

[Ocean1]

...but instead he had a cry about it and his kid learnt jack shit.

Actually his kid learned that when things get difficult it's the system's fault.

[TheDemonLord]

No I don't. I seem to think that everyone will be nice and share with everyone they're already nice and sharing with. Hell, they might even be nicer and share with people they're usually cuntish towards. If history proves anything it's that history is a bad teacher.

Or that those who fail to learn histories lessons are doomed to repeat them....

If there are resources to build Ferrari's, then Ferrari's will be built. There must be something earth shatteringly precious that a Ferrari uses in its construction. Do tell?

Its called Man hours, Carbon Fibre, Aircraft grade Aluminium, Premium Italian Leather (I could go on)

No there wasn't, just a flippent remark.

You can't make flippant remarks when you are trying to defend your position and then complain when people use said remark to further dismantle your position

Ferrari decide, they always have, why not continue in the same way.

No - they have only ever decided on certain exclusive models like the FXX. For a 'standard' Ferrari, anyone with sufficient cash can purchase one - without Cash - How does the allocation of a Ferrari happen?

I put to you that it cannot and will not happen - thus Consumer choice is diminished, first it will be Ferraris, then it will be porsches, then it will be high end BMWs, then it will be Fords/Holdens and the ultimate result will be that you can have a 'choice' of several different NOW approved cars that will all be a PoS

As for Banco el NZo, dunno how it will be comprised, but if they're all driving brand new Ferrari's, I'm sure questions will be asked by their shareholders.

Indeed, Questions will be asked, then deflected and then through some clever smoke and mirrors with be diffused - Hmmm how could a single Banking entity that controls the finances for an Entire country be Compromised - I think of a multitude of ways - most of which could be done in a way that attempted removal from power would have extremely negative consequences (in the same way that Dictators tend to stay in power until violently overthrown)

Btw have you read Animal Farm?

You raise a good point (pun intended). Your neighbour will be well within his rights to go to the cops and lay a complaint, or blow the officer, and you may end up going to jail... or executed.

So we agree then - under NOW, Theft and other similar crime will still happen (despite your assertion in the other thread that there will be no need for theft since everyone can just go to the store and pickup what they want/need)

[bogan]

Wrong. Your a 0 gen kiwi with that attitude.

We are an accepting people. Not inbred hillbillies.

You come to NZ to work, if you work....you're kiwi. All the rest is BS that was ingrained from the motherland - and if your hanging on to it....your affectionately a POM-in-a-grass-skirt. Not a kiwi.

There's other factors that make kiwis 'kiwi' I'm not just talking about the right to residency btw. The longer you've been here, the more likely you are to pick up on them. New immigrants are more than welcome to embrace these values of course. So it is not how long you've been here that determines who is a kiwi, but how long you've been here does give you more of our culture; which I reckon is about a bit more than just working.

[Banditbandit]

http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-ge...e-unhappy.html

So - it wasn't the teacher's fault - it was the parents fault - that must be you becasue I, thank god, have no kids ...

Did you not notice the wee smilie?

I once asked the then minister for social development why they were spending my pension money on election bribes. He patiently explained that superannuation wasn't fully funded and launched into a detailed explanation of the impossibility of making that so. I pointed out that any schoolboy could calculate the resources required to fund what the current entitlements were and that is was absurd to expect a shrinking workforce to stump up the shortfall their failure to budget was causing. The conversation deteriorated from there, and I'm afraid I resorted to technical terminology unbecoming a guest at Govt house and had to retire in order to maintain even vaguely decorous relations.

you shit stirring anarchist you ..

[avgas]

What about how the kid feels most comfortable?

Comfortable and Learning are not related. The venn diagram shows both circles intersecting......but the fact is that they are independent of how people learn.

You can learn stuff the way you like, or you can learn it the way you hate. Either way you can learn it.

The whole nurture and nature debate is a waste of time when you consider one simple concept: What is being taught?

Are we teaching kids what they are comfortable with? What they are uncomfortable with? Doesn't matter. Comfort happens when they become aware of what is out there. Until then, everything might be uncomfortable.
Uncomfortable --> Learning --> Comfortable is a fact of life.

[imdying]

Jesus christ... lot of wailing for someone who isn't even a New Zealander.

Dunno what you cunts are moaning about though... quality of life and wages here are great... houses are cheap, petrol is plentiful, lots of public holidays... About the only thing I'd change would be to work another day less a week, and expect that would be totally doable if I asked.