Govt 'covering up' school funding plan

[Ocean1]

*Shudders, the final nail in the coffin of communism if ever there was one.

But everyone deserves the exact same level of quality, no matter what their productivity. And you could have one any time you liked.

Well, any time the multitude of layers of socialist beurocracy decided you'd blown them all to their mutual satisfaction.








Whether you wanted one of not.

[bogan]

You have got to be the whineyest bastard I’ve ever had the dubious lack of misfortune not to have met.

By the length of the back straight.

Fuck off and find somewhere else to whine about.

Hey, we'll only have to endure this until the election, then his money free party will win by a landslide and he will stop whining... sniggers

Anyone wanting to take bets on whether they'll crack 1% of votes?

[Ocean1]

You haven't met me.

And the experience is still unpleasant...

[Ocean1]

Anyone wanting to take bets on whether they'll crack 1% of votes?

Put me down for a hundred hammers.

Edit: speaking of which I'd better fuck off and earn a few...

[TheDemonLord]

Hey, we'll only have to endure this until the election, then his money free party will win by a landslide and he will stop whining... sniggers

Anyone wanting to take bets on whether they'll crack 1% of votes?

No Bet

[mashman]

And the experience is still unpleasant...

We aim to please.

[MSTRS:Me]

And the solutions thus far are, forget those who are unable to learn they way they are taught.
Spend more money and stick another teacher in the class so that multiple methods of teaching could be covered (which'll never happen because there isn't enough money).
And change the model and let parents choose where they send their kids.

Sterling work for a so called civilised and progressive society.

Please pay attention in class...

I believe I had the temerity to suggest that there are some teachers who manage greater success for their pupils (as measured by the wallies in Welly) and therefore should be paid more than their 'lazier' colleagues. The little piccy in post 155 shows how these great teachers teach.

But you wouldn't be for that, would you? After all, that would be rewarding those who are a drag on society as you would have it ...

[SPman]

Never said we were, just that the image of your typical kiwi bloke sure as shit isn't lazy. Also it's not the only kiwi characteristic, diy is also one we hold in high esteem, and being down to earth, and gumboots. I have a pair of gumboots and workboots at my house, do you?

Sorry - you're a generation or two late, for that image.

Your typical kiwi bloke these days is more like the typical aussie bloke - overweight, unhandy, bitches about lazy bludgers taking all his "hard earned tax money" despite wanting to pay no tax, have less government, yet have all the benefits of a well sourced society,and gumboots are what you throw at coons, darkies, abos or maoris!

[bogan]

Sorry - you're a generation or two late, for that image.

Your typical kiwi bloke these days is more like the typical aussie bloke - overweight, unhandy, bitches about lazy bludgers taking all his "hard earned tax money" despite wanting to pay no tax, have less government, yet have all the benefits of a well sourced society,and gumboots are what you throw at coons, darkies, abos or maoris!

S'okay, things move a bit slower out in the rurality from which where I were raised.

You make a good point though, a lot of typical kiwi blokes do seem to fuck off to aussie, hmmmm.

Last thing I threw my gumboot at was a mangy cat, it was black though...

[Banditbandit]

Never said we were, just that the image of your typical kiwi bloke sure as shit isn't lazy. Also it's not the only kiwi characteristic, diy is also one we hold in high esteem, and being down to earth, and gumboots. I have a pair of gumboots and workboots at my house, do you?

A good New Zealand folk hero from the good old days ... Shiner Slattery

[mashman]

Please pay attention in class...

I believe I had the temerity to suggest that there are some teachers who manage greater success for their pupils (as measured by the wallies in Welly) and therefore should be paid more than their 'lazier' colleagues. The little piccy in post 155 shows how these great teachers teach.

But you wouldn't be for that, would you? After all, that would be rewarding those who are a drag on society as you would have it ...

Sorry sir. Am I to be punished sir?

I was aghast at such a suggestion. The success belongs to the student, not the teacher. As does the failure. Yes the ability of the teacher is very important, but it doesn't necessarily follow that shit teachers return shit students does it? I accept that it is very possible for a great teacher to elevate a class, but if you haven't had that great teacher teach a poor performing class and raise their level substantially, then any measurement you implement is flawed, which then highlights that that great teacher has take the kudos for the successes where that kudos belongs to the students.

pulease. I expect different criteria to be applied before attributing the success of a class to the teacher. No offence to the teachers out there on the front lines.

[Banditbandit]

Sorry sir. Am I to be punished sir?

I was aghast at such a suggestion. The success belongs to the student, not the teacher. As does the failure. Yes the ability of the teacher is very important, but it doesn't necessarily follow that shit teachers return shit students does it? I accept that it is very possible for a great teacher to elevate a class, but if you haven't had that great teacher teach a poor performing class and raise their level substantially, then any measurement you implement is flawed, which then highlights that that great teacher has take the kudos for the successes where that kudos belongs to the students.

pulease. I expect different criteria to be applied before attributing the success of a class to the teacher. No offence to the teachers out there on the front lines.

As a teacher out there I am inclined to disagree with you sorry - but let me articulate it properly - right now I'm off to a teacher's meeting ..

[TheDemonLord]

Which we do, repeatedly, especially the financial system.

Except we have tried other systems - barter, Mana etc. none have been as successful as Money

I'll make a note of that and we'll ensure that Ferrari's are banned.

Thus proving my point, in a RBE, luxury goods will be diminished or banned and that consumer choice as a result is diminished.

The it'll continue that way. then it'll become second hand. By blowing your dealer apparantly.

If the current method for Ferrari allocation is via having sufficient money to afford one - How can this continue to be method of allocation after you remove money?

Meh. The flaws currently exist, yet it's much easier to keep eyes on 1 than it is on many. It all depends how it's set up and those decisions will be left to more interested minds.

Actually its easier for one organisation to supress all information and to muddy the waters in order to supress/decieve - If company X tells you it takes 4 weeks to do something and Company X is the only company that does this specific thing - you have no way to know whether they are being genuine or lazy. However if we introduce Company Y who will either confirm with Company X, or Undercut company X, or form a Cartel with Company X

No.

You should - it details how idealism gets corrupted into totalitarianism and suppression.

All animals are Equal, but some are more Equal than others.

I've never said crime will vanish. But there will be a lot less. Just because there is no need for it does not automatically mean that it cannot happen.

I don't think so - Crime rates will continue as they have always done - in fact in some areas crime will increase - afterall if there is no Financial penalty not to do something - where is the incentive to not do it?

Overnight the highways would become racetracks (no speeding fines because there is no Money!)

[bogan]

Overnight the highways would become racetracks (no speeding fines because there is no Money!)

I've now changed my mind

Except we have tried other systems - barter, Mana etc. none have been as successful as Money

yeh, but we tried them ages ago, we need to try them now that money people have got us all this cool tech


Thus proving my point, in a RBE, luxury goods will be diminished or banned and that consumer choice as a result is diminished.

nah, we will just swap them for a bunch of wizard made million dollar hammers and have as much ferraris as we like


If the current method for Ferrari allocation is via having sufficient money to afford one - How can this continue to be method of allocation after you remove money?

removing money removes the only restriction against having something, duh

Actually its easier for one organisation to supress all information and to muddy the waters in order to supress/decieve - If company X tells you it takes 4 weeks to do something and Company X is the only company that does this specific thing - you have no way to know whether they are being genuine or lazy. However if we introduce Company Y who will either confirm with Company X, or Undercut company X, or form a Cartel with Company X

no, cos our organization will be in it for the good of the people and would never be corrupted like farm animals

You should - it details how idealism gets corrupted into totalitarianism and suppression.

All animals are Equal, but some are more Equal than others.

the WBE will just use its wizards to transform misbehaving humans into animals, and vice versa

I don't think so - Crime rates will continue as they have always done - in fact in some areas crime will increase - afterall if there is no Financial penalty not to do something - where is the incentive to not do it?

again, the WBE will just magic up some newts

Now, rate my answers on a scale of plausibility, from pants on legs, to pants on head

[mashman]

As a teacher out there I am inclined to disagree with you sorry - but let me articulate it properly - right now I'm off to a teacher's meeting ..

Too cryptic for me.