So the guy who's bought the political left in NZ is a Nazi sympathiser

[scott411]

fraudster: true
pornographer: awesome if true. Is that how he met Mona?
self promoter: abundantly true.

"awaiting trial"

I think it clear that KDC personally, and arguably Mega committed no crime in NZ that would require NZ to extradite him to the US. The complete fucked up bungling surrounding the issue of the warrants, the conduct of the raid, and its aftermath support that view. Thats a relatively uninformed legal opinion on a matter clearly sub judice. What I think is clear is the complicity of our gubblemunt and its various organs with a more or less random FBI/US government search for a scapegoat by the RIAA.

since when did he have to commit a crime in NZ to get extradited? the alleged crimes were committed in the US, and we have a extradition treaty with the US that works both ways, he has challanged every warrant and court decision right to the supreme court, and has lost most of them now, the warrants were proved to be legal (with mistakes) he does not get full disclosure on the charges to try and fight them here, thats not the role of the extradition hearing,

the fact we let him in is the worse thing about this, seems if you have money everything is ok, hopefully we learn from this,

[Oscar]

I think it clear that KDC personally, and arguably Mega committed no crime in NZ that would require NZ to extradite him to the US. .

Would you like to reconsider this statement?
If he had committed a crime in NZ, why would he be extradited to the US?
Do you actually understand the concept of extradition?

[Oscar]

fraudster: true
pornographer: awesome if true. Is that how he met Mona?
self promoter: abundantly true.

"awaiting trial"

I think it clear that KDC personally, and arguably Mega committed no crime in NZ that would require NZ to extradite him to the US. The complete fucked up bungling surrounding the issue of the warrants, the conduct of the raid, and its aftermath support that view. Thats a relatively uninformed legal opinion on a matter clearly sub judice. What I think is clear is the complicity of our gubblemunt and its various organs with a more or less random FBI/US government search for a scapegoat by the RIAA.

Think about it for a lttle while: the argument that Google, Youtube, and various other (listed on the US stock exchange) large US corporates engage in essentially the same conduct as Mega did is valid: and Mega demonstrably did comply, when requested with RIAA takedown requests, as do the others.

Large corporates rule Mrka, and their politicians must be seen by their corporate sponsors to be "clamping down on internet piracy": but of course they cannot go up against the other large corporate sponsors (or tolerators) of it. They can't really go up against anyone in Yrp, either, so they search around, see that this Mega dude lives in NZ, and they put the lean on our already very acquiescent government.

I dont really care what political stripe you are, anyone interested in due process and the rule of law should be supporting a win for Mr Dotcom.

New Zealand has an extradition treaty with the US.
KDC has been charged in a US court with a crime covered by that treaty.
He will get a hearing in our courts as to the validity of the extradition warrant.

He's getting due process under the rule of law.

[James Deuce]

IBM too I believe

That was pre-war. There's a very good reason why White and GMC got the US army truck contract. Vastly different sillhouette to the Ford and GM product the Wehrmacht were using.

[oldrider]

What book? sounds like something I would like to read. I do like history.

The ironic thing of course that the big banks were invariably owned by Jews.... and a lot of them managed to preserve and enhance their fortunes prior to and after WW2

Truly and interesting subject!

WW2 was mostly about developing world debt, driving Jews out of Europe and the establishment of Israel as their "homeland".

Why else would Jewish people leave the comfort of Europe to go and live in a sand castle in the heat of the Middle East FFS?

It almost backfired but for the guns and industrial power of America, very few "big" Jews (Bankers etc) suffered in the Holocast!

They were mostly tucked up safely in America where they remain today manipulating world events.

[Big Dave]

HDC is a fan of the chaos theory. Dotcom is more of a KAOS theory.

So Schmart, ve meet again....

[Oscar]

WW2 was mostly about developing world debt, driving Jews out of Europe and the establishment of Israel as their "homeland".

I'm pleased that you've explained why my relatives served, some of them died and some of them were wounded.
They thought they were preserving freedom for future generations and fighting for thier homes and families against invasion.
I'm glad you seem to think they were clueless saps...

[Swoop]

source please.

This isn't the article I read but explains the academic version (big print, dot-to-dot, lots of colouring in, etc, etc) behind the reprint.
It appears the academics have been over-ruled however.
http://www.theguardian.com/books/201...pf-reprint-ban



under German copyright law the book becomes public domain on April 30th 2015, 70 years after the author's death. At that time, anyone with a printing press can sell the book within Germany and not pay a single royalty.
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/art...y/rich-hitler/


Interestingly, Kindle and e-readers sell it. For those who do not wish to be seen reading controversial books in public, these devices are the solution.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Would you like to reconsider this statement?
If he had committed a crime in NZ, why would he be extradited to the US?
Do you actually understand the concept of extradition?

You're right: that makes no sense. Clearly I am wrong.

What I meant to say was I don't think it had been established that the "crimes" which he was charged with in the US were covered by the extradition treaty. In fact isn't that one of the planks of his Supreme court case?

[Oscar]

You're right: that makes no sense. Clearly I am wrong.

What I meant to say was I don't think it had been established that the "crimes" which he was charged with in the US were covered by the extradition treaty. In fact isn't that one of the planks of his Supreme court case?

The treaty includes the charge of: Larceny (i.e. the unlawful taking of someone's personal property) and Receiving and transporting any money, valuable securities or other property knowing the same to have been unlawfully obtained..

The US does not have to prove his guilt, just prove that there is a prima facie case to be answered.

[James Deuce]

When will Agent 99 bring the pork chops?

[mstriumph]

New Zealand has an extradition treaty with the US.
KDC has been charged in a US court with a crime covered by that treaty.
He will get a hearing in our courts as to the validity of the extradition warrant.

He's getting due process under the rule of law.

ah HA a welcome breeze of common sense wafts thru the forum at last

thank you kind sir (or madam, as the case may be)

[oldrider]

I'm pleased that you've explained why my relatives served, some of them died and some of them were wounded.
They thought they were preserving freedom for future generations and fighting for thier homes and families against invasion.
..

Likewise, but hey I didn't write history, I just read about it, (I'm glad you seem to think they were clueless saps.) those were your words, not mine!

[Scuba_Steve]

Someone wanna tell me why the left is so anxious to cozy up to this bozo?

The Nazi stuff notwithstanding, he's a convicted fraudster, some time pornographer and full time self promoter.
He's also on bail awaiting trial for stealing the intellectual property of any number of people, yet we were treated to the spectacle of him on stage with union leader Helen Kelly.

Why is Harawira so keen on him? Is it the money?
The Greens? What could they possible have in common with Herr Schimdt (except of course, the youth vote)?

The other question that no one seems to want to even ask, never mind answer - why would you start a political party if you don't qualify to stand as a candidate?
Where are all the people who scream about major polictical parties trying to buy elections? What do they think about this blatant attempt by this POS to influence the next Govt of NZ so as to stop his extradition?

I'm not too sure to be honest considering he was a right wing supporter up until he got illegally harassed by them.
As for the rest of your rant, I'm not sure the point?
"convicted fraudster" - ok so he's qualified for politics
"sometime pornographer" not sure what this has to do with anything? Are you some kinda prude?
"full time self promoter" so he's a business man, is that a bad thing?

My question is why you have such an issue with Dotcom? I can't see anything different here than any other political party except he's slightly more open with it

[Oscar]

Likewise, but hey I didn't write history, I just read about it, (I'm glad you seem to think they were clueless saps.) those were your words, not mine!

I don't know what "history" you're reading, but your comments are not only silly, but quite offensive to some people.