So the guy who's bought the political left in NZ is a Nazi sympathiser

[oldrider]

The more humane and decent an activity the harder it is to get finance to make it happen .... "WAR" no matter how stupid ... "finance is always available"!

Like everything decent ... stop the finance ... stop the activity! ..... Stop the fucking wars right there at the beginning how hard is that FFS!

[Oscar]

The more humane and decent an activity the harder it is to get finance to make it happen .... "WAR" no matter how stupid ... "finance is always available"!

Like everything decent ... stop the finance ... stop the activity! ..... Stop the fucking wars right there at the beginning how hard is that FFS!

So who financed the Soviet WW2 effort (as part of firstly the Axis and then the Allies)?

Who financed China against India?

Vietnam against the USA?

[Oscar]

Hitlers ramblings in Mein Kampf were fuelled by his already cemented antisemitism from before WW1 in Vienna and the corrupt nature of Treaty of Versailles and the European old boys club raping Germany, slicing up their colonies & claiming other land etc. Even the US delegacy for the Treaty knew it was corrupt but political pressure meant it was imposed.
He was a salesman that sold an idea to get a country back on it's feet, pretty easy to unify the majority when they're being strangled by foreigners & internally germany was at war with itself already, the stock market crash in 29 only added fuel to the fire
Hitler's rise to prominence was through fear of communism

A good summary.
But Hitler never got a majority in Germany in the ballot box.
He got a toehold in Govt. and worked from there - as you say, unifying the majority through economic "miracles".
Rather than being pushed to war by the banks, by 1938 Hitler had borrowed so much money that without the war he would have been buggered.

[Brian d marge]

Vietnam against the USA?

Fiat money and taxes paid for that one

Hitler , Sidestepped the international markets by creating the renmark ( sp) this was backed by land and german assets ( this pissed the international markets right off!!)

by using this germany went from the poor to very nice indeed. ( just by ignoring gold backed debt... some say Jewish , )

then when ww2 took hold , gold and assests were looted from countrys hosted the german european tour.

Snip;Economist Henry C. K. Liu writes of Germany’s remarkable transformation:
“The Nazis came to power in 1933 when the German economy was in total collapse, with ruinous war-reparation obligations and zero prospects for foreign investment or credit. Through an independent monetary policy of sovereign credit and a full- employment public- works program, the Third Reich was able to turn a bankrupt Germany, stripped of overseas colonies, into the strongest economy in Europe within four years, even before armament spending began.” (Henry C. K. Liu, “Nazism and the German Economic Miracle,” Asia Times (May 24, 2005).





Stephen

no time to adequately answer

[Oscar]

Fiat money and taxes paid for that one

Hitler , Sidestepped the international markets by creating the renmark ( sp) this was backed by land and german assets ( this pissed the international markets right off!!)

by using this germany went from the poor to very nice indeed. ( just by ignoring gold backed debt... some say Jewish , )

then when ww2 took hold , gold and assests were looted from countrys hosted the german european tour.

Snip;Economist Henry C. K. Liu writes of Germany’s remarkable transformation:
“The Nazis came to power in 1933 when the German economy was in total collapse, with ruinous war-reparation obligations and zero prospects for foreign investment or credit. Through an independent monetary policy of sovereign credit and a full- employment public- works program, the Third Reich was able to turn a bankrupt Germany, stripped of overseas colonies, into the strongest economy in Europe within four years, even before armament spending began.” (Henry C. K. Liu, “Nazism and the German Economic Miracle,” Asia Times (May 24, 2005).





Stephen

no time to adequately answer

The economy may have been booming, but by 1939/40 Germany owed RM40b, was still dependant on imports and had a very structured economy. As you say, war and the subsequent looting of Europe was needed to keep 1) the boom going and 2) to repay the debt.

[Tazz]

I hope that is CE tested and approved? :P

[Brian d marge]

The economy may have been booming, but by 1939/40 Germany owed RM40b, was still dependant on imports and had a very structured economy. As you say, war and the subsequent looting of Europe was needed to keep 1) the boom going and 2) to repay the debt.

I dont know where you get the debt from

IF the money was independent of international debt ie gold , and was based on German assets ( rentenmark) , then briefly onto the gold standard before becoming Fiat money ( Reichmark)) then no debt ( international ) debt existed except to the German people and the invaded ( as Money is debt ).

After the war

http://history.howstuffworks.com/wor...parations2.htm

and the dodgy dealing Hitler used to pay for the war

http://shelf3d.com/i/German%20reichsmark


Stephen

[Voltaire]

Give me the learn on war economics. when say England for example was in total war mode with the whole country geared up just for war, how is it funded as there are no internal or external trading going on?
( no big words thanks)
My vague recollection is the merkins financed the Brits....where does the money come from?
Maybe the Federal Reserve is empty and its just belief in that's it full that keeps the whole moneygoround going....dunno.

[mashman]

Maybe the Federal Reserve is empty and its just belief in that's it full that keeps the whole moneygoround going....dunno.

3:13 answers your question. Interesting 6 minutes if you want a fuller picture.

[Brian d marge]

Tis a byatch to get the ink ,Ive tried ,,, the man get bent right out of shape when ya start getting between him and his money

HAd to laugh when the economist said he was surprised at the surpise of the bank just printing money its first year economics hahahahahahahaha


There is a little bit more to it than the sharp seven footage but thats it in a nutshell

Stephen

[Katman]

Give me the learn on war economics. when say England for example was in total war mode with the whole country geared up just for war, how is it funded as there are no internal or external trading going on?

America supplied England (as well as Russia and China) during the war under the Lend-Lease agreement.

[Voltaire]

America supplied England (as well as Russia and China) during the war under the Lend-Lease agreement.

Yeah I know the official line.
I like reading the conspiracy stuff

Who financed the Germans, Italians and Japanese then?

[puddytat]

the same banks I'd say.....

The Americans & Germans still traded up 'till the Japs stepped in.....there were patent agreements between Krupps & the U.S