Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

[gjm]

Senate votes against fast-tracking TPP

Not sure how much of that is just Republicans vetoing something Obama might have done, and how much is common sense finally prevailing!

Given the current republican background, if a Republican president were to be elected I wouldn't be surprised to see this rocketed through with every bit of haste they could muster. Or, maybe, the US is scared of the repercussions for them if the deal does go through? We have a pretty good idea what it could mean for NZ.

[MisterD]

We have a pretty good idea what it could mean for NZ.

Yep, vastly improved access to the US markets for our dairy industry.

[Katman]

Yep, vastly improved access to the US markets for our dairy industry.

So we can create more dairy farms to create greater damage to our environment?

[gjm]

Yep, vastly improved access to the US markets for our dairy industry.

Somewhere 36 times the size of NZ needs our dairy products more than we do? Bear in mind that under the TPPA, any partnership would see an 'agreement' over what is supplied, how much, and at what price.

Add in the supply of dairy produce to China, and there'd be noting left. (Why don't they have cows/dairy in China? Very similar size country to the US...)

NZ butter is already cheaper in the UK than it is in NZ - this can only make it worse.

But... Open access to overseas markets is a good thing. It is a 2-way street though... And the TPPA leaves countries (not just NZ) open to legal action if there is an effort to prioritise sales of local goods over imported ones, or restrictions on the sale of goods from overseas. Several countries are already being sued by tobacco companies, for instance, for trying to reduce sales of carcinogens manufactured to fuck you up.

The idea of open access to overseas markets is not a bad one. It's all the shit that the major corporations of this world will arrange to have built in to it that will cause the problems.

[mashman]

Not sure how much of that is just Republicans vetoing something Obama might have done, and how much is common sense finally prevailing!

Given the current republican background, if a Republican president were to be elected I wouldn't be surprised to see this rocketed through with every bit of haste they could muster. Or, maybe, the US is scared of the repercussions for them if the deal does go through? We have a pretty good idea what it could mean for NZ.

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. They're politicians after all... say anything to get in, do anything when in.

[Gadget1]

Somewhere 36 times the size of NZ needs our dairy products more than we do? Bear in mind that under the TPPA, any partnership would see an 'agreement' over what is supplied, how much, and at what price.

Add in the supply of dairy produce to China, and there'd be noting left. (Why don't they have cows/dairy in China? Very similar size country to the US...)

NZ butter is already cheaper in the UK than it is in NZ - this can only make it worse.

But... Open access to overseas markets is a good thing. It is a 2-way street though... And the TPPA leaves countries (not just NZ) open to legal action if there is an effort to prioritise sales of local goods over imported ones, or restrictions on the sale of goods from overseas. Several countries are already being sued by tobacco companies, for instance, for trying to reduce sales of carcinogens manufactured to fuck you up.

The idea of open access to overseas markets is not a bad one. It's all the shit that the major corporations of this world will arrange to have built in to it that will cause the problems.

I see Fonterra are leasing dairy farms in China. They're building the infrastructure and the herds with the goal being a billion litres of milk per annum by 2020. It's interesting how nobody can buy land in China but they can buy in NZ.

Also read a report by Professor Jane Kelsey who's very anti this TPPA and for good reason too by the look of it.

[awa355]

The American dairy industry will be protected from having to play on a level playing field with everyone else for several years after this agreement comes into effect, if it does. I read in the comments below the article that Egypt was being sued by American interests for passing a minimum wage law that would impact on US profits under some current agreement.

[Brian d marge]

The American dairy industry will be protected from having to play on a level playing field with everyone else for several years after this agreement comes into effect, if it does. I read in the comments below the article that Egypt was being sued by American interests for passing a minimum wage law that would impact on US profits under some current agreement.

Philip morris in australia

The protector in vestor clause or whatever its called has been in operation for a few years now . . .it will just get stronger

[gjm]

"The TPP will include provisions that give corporations the right to sue a government for unlimited cash compensation -- in private and non-transparent tribunals -- over nearly any law or policy that a corporation alleges will reduce its profits. Using similar rules in other free trade agreements, corporations such as Exxon Mobil and Dow Chemical have launched nearly 600 cases against nearly 100 governments. Dozens of cases attack common-sense environmental laws and regulations, such as regulations to protect communities and the environment from harmful chemicals or mining practices."

See also https://wikileaks.org/tpp-investment/press.html

[Ocean1]

I see Fonterra are leasing dairy farms in China. They're building the infrastructure and the herds with the goal being a billion litres of milk per annum by 2020. It's interesting how nobody can buy land in China but they can buy in NZ.

Also read a report by Professor Jane Kelsey who's very anti this TPPA and for good reason too by the look of it.

Aye, selling her book on the topic.

[Ocean1]

Philip morris in australia

The protector in vestor clause or whatever its called has been in operation for a few years now . . .it will just get stronger

So investor protection litigation doesn't actually have much to do with the TPP, does it?

[Gadget1]

Aye, selling her book on the topic.

Good on her but it's also been out for two years.

Is that an image of Lysander Spooner as your avatar?

[Ocean1]

Good on her but it's also been out for two years.

Is that an image of Lysander Spooner as your avatar?

Indeed, but any political statement should carry it's own statements of interest. Those that don't are usually bent all out of shape.

And no. Although from some very old intersections with his work I wouldn't object were it so.

[Gadget1]

Indeed, but any political statement should carry it's own statements of interest. Those that don't are usually bent all out of shape.

And no. Although from some very old intersections with his work I wouldn't object were it so.

I agree and Professor Kelsey seems to be doing all the right things in that regard.


Mr Spooner was a very interesting person with some admirable and strong principles.

[Brian d marge]

I agree and Professor Kelsey seems to be doing all the right things in that regard.


Mr Spooner was a very interesting person with some admirable and strong principles.

He was and ran foul of the powers that be
Kelsey has been working away for years against this tppa and is a wee gem apart from that deriguer lesbian 2 earings haicut. . Which seem to be very much in vogue amongst nz wimmin