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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakie View Post
    So I saw Helen Clark supporting the National government pursuing TPPA. Said we're much better off in it than not. Discuss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakie View Post
    So I saw Helen Clark supporting the National government pursuing TPPA. Said we're much better off in it than not. Discuss.
    History demonstrates that any country with significant trade barriers, (self imposed or otherwise) rapidly deteriorates.

    If the choice is a trade agreement involving NZ or a trade agreement not including NZ, (and that's exactly what the choice is) then it's a no-brainer: Get the best deal you can, but do the deal.

    Although... maybe not. Iron curtains produce deep and prolonged depressions, Bamboo curtains cause immense hardship and retrenchment to near feudal conditions, but who knows, maybe a Ponga curtain would work to maintain NZ's status as one of the worlds top performing economies.












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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    History demonstrates that any country with significant trade barriers, (self imposed or otherwise) rapidly deteriorates.

    If the choice is a trade agreement involving NZ or a trade agreement not including NZ, (and that's exactly what the choice is) then it's a no-brainer: Get the best deal you can, but do the deal.

    Although... maybe not. Iron curtains produce deep and prolonged depressions, Bamboo curtains cause immense hardship and retrenchment to near feudal conditions, but who knows, maybe a Ponga curtain would work to maintain NZ's status as one of the worlds top performing economies.












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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakie View Post
    So I saw Helen Clark supporting the National government pursuing TPPA. Said we're much better off in it than not. Discuss.
    Nothing to discuss, she did her job, she brought the US into the TPPA & she's got her comfortable high paying UN job to show for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakie View Post
    So I saw Helen Clark supporting the National government pursuing TPPA. Said we're much better off in it than not. Discuss.
    She had to say that, as she initiated it (as a much smaller version of what we are being offered now, when it involved New Zealand, Chile, Singapore and Brunei.).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian d marge View Post
    What kind of kurtains did cuba have

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    Made out of Russia's second world rusty old nuke silo shells.

    But there's the thing: nobody really gives a shit what politics causes a nation to go sulk in their bedroom, it's enough to note that their standard of living plummeted as a direct result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    There's the thing: nobody really gives a shit what politics causes a nation to go sulk in their bedroom, it's enough to note that their standard of living plummeted as a direct result.
    Are we to assume that their standard of living will now rise or will that only be for the usual small percentage? - It will be interesting to watch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    She had to say that, as she initiated it (as a much smaller version of what we are being offered now, when it involved New Zealand, Chile, Singapore and Brunei.).
    And China. Don't forget China.

    What year did she do that deal again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    Made out of Russia's second world rusty old nuke silo shells.

    But there's the thing: nobody really gives a shit what politics causes a nation to go sulk in their bedroom, it's enough to note that their standard of living plummeted as a direct result.

    Now, do yo want to play with the grownups? Or is the bogeymans too scary?
    On which side are you

    Trade is fine

    We need trade

    Capatalism and all its flaws added to the gordon geckos

    We . . ( may I include you ) dont need

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider View Post
    Are we to assume that their standard of living will now rise or will that only be for the usual small percentage? - It will be interesting to watch!

    We have a ring side seat - if we should live long enough!
    Too early to tell. I don't expect much from what is still, after all a communist state.

    Interesting comparing Cuba with what is supposedly a communist state with some of the worlds most open trading Policies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian d marge View Post
    On which side are you

    Trade is fine

    We need trade

    Capatalism and all its flaws added to the gordon geckos

    We . . ( may I include you ) dont need

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    The side responsible for the single most massive improvement in across-the-board living standards in the planet's history.

    Where's that map of ancient socialist states with economies putting their citizens on top of the living standards leaderboard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    The side responsible for the single most massive improvement in across-the-board living standards in the planet's history.

    Where's that map of ancient socialist states with economies putting their citizens on top of the living standards leaderboard?
    Imagine the living standards if we had socialism


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian d marge View Post
    Imagine the living standards if we had socialism
    Well we have but it's combined in multi-tier systems - them and us - we by the way are are really lucky to be us - however you look at it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian d marge View Post
    Imagine the living standards if we had socialism


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    Don't have to, there's no shortage of failed socialist states to demonstrate that it's not a viable doctrine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    Don't have to, there's no shortage of failed socialist states to demonstrate that it's not a viable doctrine.
    Show me

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