Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

[Viking01]

Without getting embroiled in the debate - just for reference sake:

How many here have read the TPPA?

I have not (hence why I have very little opinion on the matter at this moment.)

If you want one site that gives a summary of some of the key points, then the following gives
a fairly readable example:
http://www.tppafacts.co.nz/explore-issues/
It's broken out into several different dimensions.

If you want to read the TPPA document - and look at specific sections, then I've attached a
link to the TPPA document that was uploaded by MFAT about a month ago:
https://www.tpp.mfat.govt.nz/text
It is broken out into 30 sections, and you can choose to read what you want.

Cheers

[Katman]

If you want one site that gives a summary of some of the key points, then the following gives
a fairly readable example:
http://www.tppafacts.co.nz/explore-issues/
It's broken out into several different dimensions.

If you want to read the TPPA document - and look at specific sections, then I've attached a
link to the TPPA document that was uploaded by MFAT about a month ago:
https://www.tpp.mfat.govt.nz/text
It is broken out into 30 sections, and you can choose to read what you want.

Cheers

Dude, TheDemonLard wasn't planning on reading it.

He was merely hoping to establise some sort of moral ascendancy.

[TheDemonLord]

Dude, TheDemonLard wasn't planning on reading it.

He was merely hoping to establise some sort of moral ascendancy.

Nope - just curious - However since he actually provided a link (You should be taking notes here Katman) - I might have a flick through.

[Katman]

I might have a flick through.

Cool.

Report back to us.

[Crasherfromwayback]

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I doubt that very few of the dickheads holding up the streets of Auckland have read it, if only partially and I doubt that too.

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Personal insults and name calling is incredibly childish and immature don't you know. Hypocrisy is a pet hate of mine. Dickhead.

[TheDemonLord]

Cool.

Report back to us.

Why? And more importantly, Why aren't you reading it?

[Stylo]

[QUOTE=Crasherfromwayback;1130945580]

I'm still waiting to see yours, as I have yet to see you add anything to the argument other than total drivel.

Let's see some links to academic experts that think the TPPA is shit hot for starters. I'm yet to see that. And if *growing up* means I was to become like you...fuck that.

Are you pissed ?

Still clutching at straws again I see, nice to see you hot under the collar :-) Erudition a bit lacking though. Schoolyard swear words like 'fuck that' completely betray your lack of integrity. And intelligence.

Once again you've missed my side of the argument, solely focussed on your side. I can see your side but, you can't acknowledge mine .

Can you please expand on the 'total drivel' statement too please, I'm always good for a healthy discussion .

[Katman]

Why? And more importantly, Why aren't you reading it?

Where are you up to?

[Oakie]

Pretty sure no one is going to change their minds on TPPA now. Can we talk about something else?

[Katman]

Can we talk about something else?

Of course you can.

Fuck off to another thread.

[Brian d marge]

[QUOTE=Stylo;1130945503]

Please ignore the dig at John Key, although his rent-a-crowd comments seem to be a reaction from him to any public mass opposition.

Easy to make a broad brush 'poster' like that from anyone who's against it ( They used to call it a propaganda poster )

Needs clarifying, I haven't heard from any of the parties mentioned in it that they're against the TPP , and why.

Be nice to hear from someone who's against it and have actually read and digested the 6000 pages of the agreement and tell me why they're against it . I haven't but I've spent some time today reading about it and it kind of makes some sense.

I doubt that very few of the dickheads holding up the streets of Auckland have read it, if only partially and I doubt that too.

It's not that if we get in it's a good thing, rather if we don't get in it won't be so good.

Not sure why the Maoris are against it either as the agreement includes the Waitangi Treaty principles so that won't be affected ...

What's the big fuss ?

Ive tried to read the stuff that has been released either leaked or doctored by government

Gave up. The legalsleaze did my head in
... I'll try again I have a long haul flight next month soo it will help me sleep

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[TheDemonLord]

Where are you up to?

I read Chapter 1, 3 (2 wouldn't load) and am on Chapter 4,

So far Chapter one was about terms and definitions and Chapter 3 is about defining what is necessary for a Product (or material) to be considered originating in a TPPA country, About how Materials are used, when a non TPPA material refined in another country, How value is calculated, what tarrifs are applicable and in what scenarios and who owns the byproduct.

Its certainly written in Legalese, but apart from being long winded (in order to define a specific item or scenario), It's not impossible or inaccessible to read.

But you haven't answered the question - as you care about it (and I'm not fussed) Why is it me that is reading it and not you? You always claim to have done research in any of the topics where we butt heads and are always quick to tell the opposition that they need to educate themselves or should read up more - so I am genuinely curious as to why you haven't read it?

[Madness]

Once again you've missed my side of the argument, solely focussed on your side. I can see your side but, you can't acknowledge mine.

You have an argument? Can you provide a link to that for us, I certainly missed it.

Be nice to hear from someone who's against it and have actually read and digested the 6000 pages of the agreement and tell me why they're against it . I haven't but I've spent some time today reading about it and it kind of makes some sense.
...

It's not that if we get in it's a good thing, rather if we don't get in it won't be so good.

What's the big fuss ?

[Brian d marge]

I read Chapter 1, 3 (2 wouldn't load) and am on Chapter 4,

So far Chapter one was about terms and definitions and Chapter 3 is about defining what is necessary for a Product (or material) to be considered originating in a TPPA country, About how Materials are used, when a non TPPA material refined in another country, How value is calculated, what tarrifs are applicable and in what scenarios and who owns the byproduct.

Its certainly written in Legalese, but apart from being long winded (in order to define a specific item or scenario), It's not impossible or inaccessible to read.

But you haven't answered the question - as you care about it (and I'm not fussed) Why is it me that is reading it and not you? You always claim to have done research in any of the topics where we butt heads and are always quick to tell the opposition that they need to educate themselves or should read up more - so I am genuinely curious as to why you haven't read it?

Long winded ...damn they took lesson from Charles Dickens and are getting paid by the letter

That's probably why they fuss so much about the letter of the law

Nice work I'd you can get it

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[TheDemonLord]

Long winded ...damn they took lesson from Charles Dickens and are getting paid by the letter

That's probably why they fuss so much about the letter of the law

Nice work I'd you can get it

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A good friend of mine is a Lawyer and I remember having a conversation with him about Legalese in contract law - I don't entirely agree with his reasoning (that in law, specific words have specific meaning and certain terms must be defined in any contract) - but even he joked that it was partly to keep the proles out...