Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

[Akzle]

I'm always good for a healthy discussion .

the fuck you are.

[Crasherfromwayback]

[QUOTE=Stylo;1130945597]

Are you pissed ?

Still clutching at straws again I see, nice to see you hot under the collar :-) Erudition a bit lacking though. Schoolyard swear words like 'fuck that' completely betray your lack of integrity. And intelligence.

Once again you've missed my side of the argument, solely focussed on your side. I can see your side but, you can't acknowledge mine .

Can you please expand on the 'total drivel' statement too please, I'm always good for a healthy discussion .

No. But you must be. Let's see...in the beginning, you called the protesters a bunch of dickheads right? Am I correct so far? I had some good friends that were there doing their bit, and I can assure you, they're far from dickheads.

Next, I have actually taken the time to look into it, and I don't like what I've seen. You on the other hand, by your own admission, haven't bothered.

So just what *is* your side of the argument you fucking meatsack?

Lastly...you called them *dickheads*, long before I called you numbnuts. Yet you take the time to tell me what an imbecile I am for using such language. I love it. Long way to fall from where you are.

[mashman]

Well, see here's the thing: Whereas individual economic success requires skill in those various disciplines relating to that success, National economic success relies on just one thing from it's govt: To stay out of the fucking way while those who can, do, and to keep the rest of the parasites to a comfortable minimum.

So if JK need be good at just one thing then according to our recent economic performance I'd say he's got that nailed, yes?

How does your "money can't be printed coz inflation" bullshit work again?

[mashman]

You have an argument? Can you provide a link to that for us, I certainly missed it.

TPPMS... bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, beaut!

[Woodman]

Where would it leave NZ if we opted out and all the others joined it?

[pete376403]

Where would it leave NZ if we opted out and all the others joined it?

For a start it would screw up Keys retirement plans

[Crasherfromwayback]

For a start it would screw up Keys retirement plans

Absolutely!

[jasonu]

Without getting embroiled in the debate - just for reference sake:

How many here have read the TPPA?

I have not (hence why I have very little opinion on the matter at this moment.)

Most will be basing their views on what they read in the Harold, over heard in the smoko room or are against it simply because the government is for it.

[RDJ]

Where would it leave NZ if we opted out and all the others joined it?

Seriously uncompetitive; frozen out of markets we need to sell our products to; we'd have to get around that be employing a broker, say Australia, who could buy low from us and sell high and they'd pocket the difference. On the plus side, the Treaty, Union, Corporate and other Troughers could also suffer reduced income levels, although probably not - the rest of us would be taxed more as individuals to keep filling the Treaty and Union Troughs. GST to 20% amongst other stupidities. A John Minto / Sue Bradford economy.

[Ocean1]

How does your "money can't be printed coz inflation" bullshit work again?

You've never heard me say that.

However, the foundation of your belief system; that using more money to define a set range of goods actually increases the quantity of goods is certainly gibberish.

[Ocean1]

Where would it leave NZ if we opted out and all the others joined it?

Aye. There's a great deal of anguish about the deal being good for only a few million, (when in fact any improvement on current trade balance at all represents a win) but failing to agree with the trade deal you instigated in the first place would see our economic prospects plummet. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

For a start it would screw up Keys retirement plans

Really? I'd suggest he's one of the very few in NZ who doesn't rely on national economic prosperity to support him in retirement.

[mashman]

You've never heard me say that.

However, the foundation of your belief system; that using more money to define a set range of goods actually increases the quantity of goods is certainly gibberish.

Yeah, whatever... see what I did there.

By your own admission you don't understand my belief system. Claiming gibberish = Ruckin Fetarded

[Katman]

What was that about rent-a-crowd?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...smisses-peters

[pete376403]

Aye. There's a great deal of anguish about the deal being good for only a few million, (when in fact any improvement on current trade balance at all represents a win) but failing to agree with the trade deal you instigated in the first place would see our economic prospects plummet. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.



Really? I'd suggest he's one of the very few in NZ who doesn't rely on national economic prosperity to support him in retirement.

OK not retirement as most of us will see it, but his future life after he ceases being PM. If you look at most ex-PMs, Presidents, etc, they go on to have extremely privileged lives in the corporate world, as reward for supporting the needs of the corporate lobbyists while they were in power.

[pete376403]

Something that's possibly worth considering.

https://miningawareness.wordpress.co...ding-disaster/

So with TPPA banning country of origin labelling from food, and Investor States Disputes meaning corporations can sue foreign governments for lost profits, Japan could export its dangerously irradiated food (they wont eat it themselves) to another country, where, even though the radiation exceeds the recipient countries legal limits, the government can't or wont restrict it because of the chilling effect of ISD. Great. Coming to a cheap food warehouse near you, Fukushima Two minute noodles "they last nearly forever, half-life of over a thousand years!"