Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

[Akzle]

Not greatness - just money.

got enough of that and all.

Doesn't make me resent the cunts any less.

[TheDemonLord]

yes your are completely right

but I when I read this , I cant decide which of the 2 words I am thinking of I should use .


but pictures may work .......

And was the solution to complain about when people did something that was legal?

Or was the solution to change the Law?

(as a side note - at least 2 of those were Illegal under international Law/were human rights violations)

[TheDemonLord]

hahahahahahaha. Naiive little demmon.


Can =/= should.


(will replace with symbols when at a fucken pc, unless some kindly mod cares to.)

Too true - you CAN post on this forum - but whether you SHOULD remains a subject of debate.

[Brian d marge]

And was the solution to complain about when people did something that was legal?

Or was the solution to change the Law?

(as a side note - at least 2 of those were Illegal under international Law/were human rights violations)

both , and as a side note, due the the first 2 solutions..... the 2 that once were legal , became illegal

though I would maintain that they ( all four , ( I include tax) ) have been unethical right throughout

Stephen

[TheDemonLord]

both , and as a side note, due the the first 2 solutions..... the 2 that once were legal , became illegal

though I would maintain that they ( all four , ( I include tax) ) have been unethical right throughout

Stephen

The difference is (between the scenario presented and the one you pose) is that when people protested in those situations - they were protesting to get the law changed. They weren't stigmatizing those who were acting legally (at the time).

And that's even if I ignore the violation of Godwins law.

[Brian d marge]

The difference is (between the scenario presented and the one you pose) is that when people protested in those situations - they were protesting to get the law changed. They weren't stigmatizing those who were acting legally (at the time).

And that's even if I ignore the violation of Godwins law.

If you complain/protest you by default stigmatise those who are acting legally ( at that time , and the ones you are trying to change )

Would you like to borrow my drawing board?

Stephen

[Voltaire]

The tax system is great, the harder you work the more the Government penalises you.

Giving the Government any more than you have to is waste of money, look at what the useless feckers spend it on, flag changes we don't need, trips to China to look at Pandas, Nick Smith and other useless tossers.

The Council has dug up the perfectly good footpaths in my road and is replacing them....Fulton Hogan must do good overseas trips.

[TheDemonLord]

If you complain/protest you by default stigmatise those who are acting legally ( at that time , and the ones you are trying to change )

Would you like to borrow my drawing board?

Stephen

Not necessarily.

It is perfectly possible to make your arguments and protest solely on the merits of the idea - without stigmatisation.

Case in point: You say that people who do legal Tax avoidance are wrong to do what they are doing - You are stigmatising them
Suppose I agree with you about Tax loopholes - I say that the Tax loophole needs to be closed, as it is causing lost tax revenue to the Government.

You will note that the argument I make has no judgement or condemnation levelled against those who are currently acting legally - simply stating that such a loophole exists and is resulting in lost revenue.

I would borrow your drawing board - but I grew out of finger painting and crayons over 2 decades ago.

[puddytat]

And its things like this that make me think that somethings up...http://www.ibtimes.com/spain-gag-law...n-laws-1991816
http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/...hts-generation
http://www.ipsnews.net/2015/06/opini...und-the-world/

& of course...the Zionists
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/brea...os/2015/06/23/

[Katman]

Get some.

[oneofsix]

And its things like this that make me think that somethings up...http://www.ibtimes.com/spain-gag-law...n-laws-1991816
http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/...hts-generation
http://www.ipsnews.net/2015/06/opini...und-the-world/

& of course...the Zionists
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/brea...os/2015/06/23/

Just be glad NZ doesn't have any anti-protest laws designed to protect foreign commercial interests;

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...ing-protesters

[oldrider]

The tax system is great, the harder you work the more the Government penalises you.

Giving the Government any more than you have to is waste of money, look at what the useless feckers spend it on, flag changes we don't need, trips to China to look at Pandas, Nick Smith and other useless tossers.

The Council has dug up the perfectly good footpaths in my road and is replacing them....Fulton Hogan must do good overseas trips.

NZ "privatisation" means that private companies carry out the duties in a "worse" manner than the government departments that they replace!

And the CEO's etc get their bonuses "regardless" of performance!

The scarce factor of production in NZ appears to be quality leadership and management!

[Brian d marge]

Not necessarily.

It is perfectly possible to make your arguments and protest solely on the merits of the idea - without stigmatisation.

Case in point: You say that people who do legal Tax avoidance are wrong to do what they are doing - You are stigmatising them
Suppose I agree with you about Tax loopholes - I say that the Tax loophole needs to be closed, as it is causing lost tax revenue to the Government.

You will note that the argument I make has no judgement or condemnation levelled against those who are currently acting legally - simply stating that such a loophole exists and is resulting in lost revenue.

I would borrow your drawing board - but I grew out of finger painting and crayons over 2 decades ago.

So your argument is

Its legal so is ok and creates lost revenue

I will leave the readers of this post to draw their own conclusions

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[Oakie]

So I saw Helen Clark supporting the National government pursuing TPPA. Said we're much better off in it than not. Discuss.

[Katman]

And I'm sure that once the deal is done, large corporations will move heaven and earth to force particpating governments to stiffen their anti-protest laws.

Big corporations won't take kindly to New Zealanders protesting against their unscrupulous dealings.