He's less than two months older than me, he's young.Originally Posted by James Deuce
Psyclepath
He's less than two months older than me, he's young.
Only a homo puts an engine back together WITHOUT making it go faster.
"channellling the Pleideans"
bullshit. I have no idea about Geoff Robinsons personal political views and neither do you.
I thought elections were decided by angry posts on social media. - F5 Dave
Forum whore
Lol. No he's not.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Anarchic Wild Child
THat doesn't prove he is not a lefty - that just shows he is good at his job ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Forum whore
You haven't proved that he is a lefty. That's just a lazy petitio principii argument.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Okay you asked for it:
Why Led Zep aren't Metal (and why Black Sabbath are)
Now, this is a common arguement as to who the first metal band was, there is even debate among the bands themselves, Ozzy has been quoted on numerous occasions that he has always felt that Black Sabbath was a Blues Rock band, however such is the nature of Music that often the lines between one genre and another are blurry at best as the music evolves.
But to answer the question who was the first we must first define what Metal is and What differentiates Metal from its related Genres (Hard Rock, Punk, Goth Rock etc.)
Hard rock was the evolution of Blues rock, noted for featuring louder Guitar and Amp settings which caused natural distortion, Generally mid paced tempos, often contemporary and at the time controversial lyrical matter, clean vocals, Proto-Virtuoso guitar playing, Verse/Chorus song structure
Often there ws influences from Progressive and Psychadelic bands as well.
Metal features a lot of similarities, however there are 2 key differences which IMO differentiate metal from Rock:
1: Palm Muted 8th note (or 16th note) guitar riffs - often using power chords (Root, 5th and Octave)
This is the first hurdle which Led Zep are not able to claim Metal status - although Jimmy Page's guitar playing was heavy and generally featured alot of distortion, Led Zep rarely uses this as part of their riffs, For example Black Dog:
Or Kashmir (board won't let me post more than 2 videos)
Now compare against Black Sabbath's Paranoid which makes repeated uses of this technique:
Or even Deep Purple's Highway star (Board won't let me post more than 2 videos
2: Lyrical Themes
This is a bit of a more obscure and has more scope for debate conjecture, but Metal tends to towards the more rebellious (so critique of Government, of Systematic power structures etc.) the Occult (Satanism, Demons, Darkness) Nihilistic, Mental issues, Controversial and Risque.
It can be said that for the time, Led Zepplin's lyrical content was at the cutting edge of Controversial - however compare to the darker themes found in Sabbath's first 2 albums - such as the Theme of the song Black Sabbath (about a Man having a nightmare about a Demon) or War Pigs (Anti War/Critique of politics that go to war) or Paranoid (Mental illness/insanity)
So on these first 2 key points that IMO seperate Metal from Rock, Led Zepplin do not count - and so cannot be considered a Heavy Metal Band.
However - one cannot talk about the origins of Heavy Metal without talking about Led Zepplin, in the same way that one cannot talk about Thrash Metal without talking about Motorhead, or that one cannot talk about Power Metal without first talking of Iron Maiden or Helloween.
So there - Led Zep aren't Metal, Black Sabbath are.
QED
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Bored Room
Black Sabbath first HM band.....
The Beatles Helter Skelter is more HM that boring old Paranoid.
Led Zep are just a rip off covers band, who stole blues songs.
Stairway to Heaven- ripped off Taurus by Spirit
I saw Motorhead at the Hammersmith Odeon once, my ears nearly bled. They were more Spinal Tap than metal.
DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.
The Majestic Metal Wizard
The Beatles may have done a slightly metal sounding song - a single metal song does not a metal band make - We could also submit it to the same analysis as above, and although there does appear to be a Palm Muted riff - its not the Main riff, the main Metalness, comes from the Vocals, however that Vocal style could also be called Punk.....Black Sabbath first HM band.....
The Beatles Helter Skelter is more HM that boring old Paranoid.
Led Zep are just a rip off covers band, who stole blues songs.
Stairway to Heaven- ripped off Taurus by Spirit
I saw Motorhead at the Hammersmith Odeon once, my ears nearly bled. They were more Spinal Tap than metal.
I saw Motorhead twice when they came to NZ - they were amazing, especially at the St James - twas a good gig.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Wearing Hi-Viz Black.
I (sadly) tuned in for a short while the other morning and it appears as if each station require a minimum of two "jocks" to do the job. Some seem to require four.
The incessant dribble spouted by them is not entertaining, neither is the "polls" they take on whatever topic is flavour-of-the-hour.
Thank fuck for MP3 players.
Oddly, the radio in the gagre has decided to give up on FM and now only plays AM, so RNZ is now the entertaining medium now.
TOP QUOTE: The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples money.
One hell of a ride.
Yep - I gave up listening to the radio when making your own playlists became viable. All I want to do when I hear a 'novelty voice' or vacuous talking head now is throttle them and avoid the product they are promoting.
Same for Radio or TV news and current affairs shows. All they do is burden you with shit you can't do anything about. Piss them off too. You'll be much happier.
Don't worry. Be mp3.
Hardcore Punk
The last person I listened to on the radio would have been Marcus Lush, back when he was on BFM. That would have been a day or two ago.
For a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.Keep an open mind, just dont let your brains fall out.
Forum whore
The off switch is a wonderful device - particularly if you get them at mid-strangulated syllable......
- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.
Anarchic Wild Child
Yeah - I know that - I was not trying to prove he was/was not a lefty - I have no opinion on his politics .. I was pointing out that Geoff being a tough interviewer on Labour politicos doesn't prove that he is not a lefty ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
"channellling the Pleideans"
Yeah. Except the MP3 part: I've gone to FLAC at home. Well, going: about halfway through ripping the CD's
There's a Drive By Truckers lyric quote for most situations and the appropriate one here is:
Used to watch the news but he don't any more.
Ain't none of it news its the same as before.
also, we need more proto-metal:
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I thought elections were decided by angry posts on social media. - F5 Dave
"channellling the Pleideans"
even donkey is quoted as saying he is a "Fair" interviewer and he has no idea of his politics.
I thought elections were decided by angry posts on social media. - F5 Dave
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