Has anyone used Elka rear shocks?

[Robert Taylor]

Yes, because I am a Grown up and I realise that's how the world works.

Are you Judith Collins PR writer? You have still failed to answer a simple Question.

Shaun supplies me with a product, which I pay all costs for (so it costs him nothing), and he gets advertising space on my sidecar. Is that a bad deal for Shaun?

Its a simple yes or No question.

Ive answered plenty and elaborated, you are just not listening.

With the said product I do not wish to see it discounted, whomever resells it. There is already too much of that BS happening. ( Its also a pretty straightforward directive from the manufacturer and in any event the general pricing is already very very good anyway. There is no wish on his part to see ''dutch auctions'' happening worldwide, afflicting so many products and laying rack and ruin to small focused companies without volume buying power) Economics 101, well worth studying.

Were you given the said shocks at dealer cost how many further sets would you guarantee that would be sold within the first season?

[Kickaha]

Yes, because I am a Grown up .

fuck off you are

My mistake.

It is always the swingers fault

[nodrog:Me]

Ive answered plenty and elaborated, you are just not listening.

With the said product I do not wish to see it discounted, whomever resells it. There is already too much of that BS happening. ( Its also a pretty straightforward directive from the manufacturer and in any event the general pricing is already very very good anyway. There is no wish on his part to see ''dutch auctions'' happening worldwide, afflicting so many products and laying rack and ruin to small focused companies without volume buying power) Economics 101, well worth studying.

Were you given the said shocks at dealer cost how many further sets would you guarantee that would be sold within the first season?

Just for a minute pretend you arent Robert Tamaki from Destiny Suspension and just answer it with a yes or a no.

[Robert Taylor]

Just for a minute pretend you arent Robert Tamaki from Destiny Suspension and just answer it with a yes or a no.

Im being very serious, you are being trivial. I think in general one of the very real dangers with forums is that all too often the keyboard commando's can hold their own ignorance in high regard.

NO. We will not sanction discounting of any product that is already very well priced and with margin that is already slender. For Christs sake no-one in this game can offer Briscoes style 50% off discounts................

Now would you care to answer how many further sets would be ordered in the first season on the basis of stated exposure?

[sidecar bob]

Im being very serious, you are being trivial.

Oh PMSL, knowing both of you, one a little, one a lot, I could imagine this conversation taking place face to face & I would be falling about the place with laughter. We need to arrange it over a few beers.
Imagine a 125 gp bike & a pre 82 hotrod with identical lap times racing together & you get the idea.

[Robert Taylor]

Oh PMSL, knowing both of you, one a little, one a lot, I could imagine this conversation taking place face to face & I would be falling about the place with laughter. We need to arrange it over a few beers.
Imagine a 125 gp bike & a pre 82 hotrod with identical lap times racing together & you get the idea.

Im glad you bought up beer / alcohol because its actually a very valid comparison that Id like to draw attention to. We see people grizzling about the prices of tyres and of various components including such things as shock absorbers. They also want a hell deal and that of course is human nature. ''Ill put your stickers on my race vehicle'' in return for a special price. Of course that sets a precedent for everyone wanting a special price and ( cynically ) the crowds that watch many of various racing classes are hardly as big as you see at even club rugby.
But why is it that when I walk into a bar at say a motorcycle prizegiving ( or any bar which for me is increasingly infrequent ) I dont hear loads of people grizzling about the price? Or offering to put the alcohol vendors stickers on their race vehicle in return for special pricing?
What is actually so different?

[Ocean1]

What is actually so different?

The purchase of a shiny new TTX doesn't actually make it more likely that the new owner will buy another one?

[pete376403]

The purchase of a shiny new TTX doesn't actually make it more likely that the new owner will buy another one?

Might make it even less likely - when the current bike is sold the OEM POS goes back on and the TTX is reworked to fit the replacement bike.

[nodrog:Me]

....
Shaun supplies me with a product, which I pay all costs for (so it costs him nothing), and he gets advertising space on my sidecar. Is that a bad deal for Shaun?

.... just answer it with a yes or a no.

NO.

I totally agree with you, I think it is a superb deal for Shaun. In fact I think you will find that the marketing departments of all major brands (Ohlins included) think this form of low/no cost advertising is a good deal and highly effective. Hence why they all supply stickers etc with their products.

......Now would you care to answer how many further sets would be ordered in the first season on the basis of stated exposure?

How the fuck would I know? I'm not some sort of divine Soothsayer. I'm supplying advertising space, not hopes and dreams.

[Robert Taylor]

I totally agree with you, I think it is a superb deal for Shaun. In fact I think you will find that the marketing departments of all major brands (Ohlins included) think this form of low/no cost advertising is a good deal and highly effective. Hence why they all supply stickers etc with their products.





How the fuck would I know? I'm not some sort of divine Soothsayer. I'm supplying advertising space, not hopes and dreams.

Just so you are abundantly clear Ohlins ( the factory themselves ) do not sponsor anyone. They dont have to. People purchase the ''dream'' at the going rate

[Robert Taylor]

The purchase of a shiny new TTX doesn't actually make it more likely that the new owner will buy another one?

The point I was trying to make is that often beer spirits and wine will be marked up at as much as several hundred percent at many functions. Its kind of odd where we have such double standards where people largely accept it.

[AllanB]

I just can't believe how much decent underwear costs now - no way I'm paying $25-$30 for a set of jocks. Lucky for me a NZ site I frequent often has a 'name brand' on special very cheaply. Much to the amusement of Mrs B I now 'stock-up' on underwear when they have a sale.

I blame advertising for the price hike in underwear - some years back it suddenly became trendy to have branded men's undies. Reckon there is a sponsorship market right there for a racer - hell, you don't even have to be good, in fact the worse you are may be better advertising after all if that shit guy who keeps falling off wears brand X undies they must be darn good as he will be soiling them frequently

[nzspokes]

I just can't believe how much decent underwear costs now - no way I'm paying $25-$30 for a set of jocks. Lucky for me a NZ site I frequent often has a 'name brand' on special very cheaply. Much to the amusement of Mrs B I now 'stock-up' on underwear when they have a sale.

I blame advertising for the price hike in underwear - some years back it suddenly became trendy to have branded men's undies. Reckon there is a sponsorship market right there for a racer - hell, you don't even have to be good, in fact the worse you are may be better advertising after all if that shit guy who keeps falling off wears brand X undies they must be darn good as he will be soiling them frequently

If you chuck the old ones through the washing machine every now and then they will last much longer.

[Ocean1]

If you chuck the old ones through the washing machine every now and then they will last much longer.

Cue advice re turning them around... inside out...

[nodrog:Me]

Just so you are abundantly clear Ohlins ( the factory themselves ) do not sponsor anyone.

Correct. That's probably why I didn't mention they did.