ANOTHER speeding clamp down

[swbarnett]

It's about time you accepted the fact that if you go above the posted speed limit you could get a ticket.

Where in that post did I mention speed limits?

Anyway, if they pass a law banning motorcycles I dare say you'll just stop riding because they told you to.

bunch of crying pussy's that lot of ya.

All I'm asking is that we recognise that humans are fallible and no amount of bleating about better training for the masses is going to change that. You're obviously a little sensitive when it comes to having your delusions challenged.

In fact, you're the crying pussy "oh woe is me, the roads are too dangerous". Grow up and stop expecting perfection. Such a thing does not exist.


BTW: The apostrophe denotes possession, not plurality. And the expression is "the lot of ya".

[BoristheBiter]

Where in that post did I mention speed limits?

the threads about getting tickets for speeding, go figure.

Anyway, if they pass a law banning motorcycles I dare say you'll just stop riding because they told you to.

even for you that's a piss weak analogy.

All I'm asking is that we recognise that humans are fallible and no amount of bleating about better training for the masses is going to change that. You're obviously a little sensitive when it comes to having your delusions challenged.

don't disagree, nothing sensitive about my delusions.

In fact, you're the crying pussy "oh woe is me, the roads are too dangerous". Grow up and stop expecting perfection. Such a thing does not exist.

I'm not the one crying about getting tickets. Never said the roads are dangerous. Never expected perfection I deal with the public so know all to well how fucking dumb they can be.

Who fucking cares how they come up with a speed or how straight the roads are or how good you think you are at riding.
You speed, they catch you you get a ticket. Just don't get caught. All you have to do is play the game, I have put the odds further in my favor by getting a radar detector. never had a ticket since and I have not slowed down.

and's who's the's fuck's care's if's there's meant's to's be's an's apostrophe's or's what's it's denote's

[FJRider]

Which is all just basic physics ....

Actually ... Basic physics is "You're perfectly safe until you hit something" ... and you choose what speed.

At 110 km/hr ... tickets are unlikely ... unless they've reduced the tolerance ... again. (Or the cop has used up his discretion)

I've been on a road with 2 km's of clear visibility ... no cars coming .. bumped the speed up a "tad" ... three sheep ran out in front of me. I clipped the middle one. I was looking too far ahead.

[FJRider]

110km/hr driving to the conditions, and to the limit of your visibility and you start braking sooner than the person driving at 100km/hr and constantly checking their speedo because the is comfortable at higher speed but artificially limited.

I normally sit just under 110 km/hr. I've been stopped and lectured on the evils of speed. A few flashed red and blues. (the occasional waggled finger out the drivers window. No tickets at that speed. No issues at that speed.

Which island are you on again ... ???

I reckon a prime example is coming up in Wellington

Ahhhh ...... question answered.

[Scuba_Steve]

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I've been on a road with 2 km's of clear visibility ... no cars coming .. bumped the speed up a "tad" ... three sheep ran out in front of me. I clipped the middle one. I was looking too far ahead.

Lesson there? should have been going faster, ya woulda missed the lot then

[FJRider]

Lesson there? should have been going faster, ya woulda missed the lot then

I was going a tad faster than I thought I was .. I didn't go tits up ... but it was close.


Sheep shit does wash off ...

[gjm]

the threads about getting tickets for speeding, go figure.

When I started the thread, it was intended to be about the apparent disparity between the effort made to catch people for, in many cases, very minor infractions where they are travelling 1 or 2km/h too fast (there will be those clocked for being seriously over the limit, too), and the seeming relative disinterest and investment of effort in stopping people for driving or riding badly or dangerously.

I'm really pleased to see the discussion that has followed. It shows people do think about stuff like this even if those of us here, on the forum, are a minority.

[BoristheBiter]

When I started the thread, it was intended to be about the apparent disparity between the effort made to catch people for, in many cases, very minor infractions where they are travelling 1 or 2km/h too fast (there will be those clocked for being seriously over the limit, too), and the seeming relative disinterest and investment of effort in stopping people for driving or riding badly or dangerously.

I'm really pleased to see the discussion that has followed. It shows people do think about stuff like this even if those of us here, on the forum, are a minority.

Don't get me wrong, I too think they should pick on all bad points of driving.
They just don't have the staff to police everything and as speeding, well going above posted speed, is the easiest to police, go figure.
And who cares how they justify it, it's all political spin after all.

I spend a lot of time behind the wheel during the day and will maybe see 2-3 police cars and that is mainly on the motorway so the chance to see someone doing something wrong is very small as we all know when we see a cop we start obeying the rules.

Do I think they should target bad drivers, yes. Do I think the licence tests should be harder? yes. do I think the speed should be higher on some roads? yes. do I think if you speed, or go too slow, you should get a ticket? yes.

I learnt to play the game a long time ago, just seems a lot have a lot to learn.
The speed limit has been what it is for a long time and if you need to look at the speedo for more than a second to check what speed you are doing then you are one of those bad drivers (being general) as you should be scanning your mirrors the same way and if you can't do that then you shouldn't be on the road or get a car with cruse control.

[Hashbandicoot]

disparity between the effort made to catch people for...very minor infractions...and the seeming relative disinterest and investment of effort in stopping people for driving or riding badly or dangerously.

My 2c.

Three factors are at work.
1) The Law.
2) Ability and ease of enforcing the Law.
3) Revenue.

The road has a speed limit. Being over the limit by any amount is a breach of the law (although some leeway is given). By being caught travelling over the speed limit you can be fined. The charged fines are (primarily) a way of increasing revenues and funding law enforcement agencies. The fact that enforcing the speed limit makes the highways "safer" is a byproduct of revenue creation and is a secondary motivation.

It is simply easier and requires less manpower to catch people speeding than it is to catch dangerous driving in other ways. To effectively stop drink driving for example requires human observation (Police; whose wages must be paid) and intervention. Speeding can be enforced with a camera in a minivan. I don't know the cost of one of those minivan speed traps but after it has dispensed a few fines it will have paid for itself, and after that it is a profit machine.

With regard to the issue of road safety I'd sooner share the highway with a speeding motorist than a fatigued or drunk one.

[swbarnett]

do I think if you speed, or go too slow, you should get a ticket? yes.

This is what I take issue with. It shows a blind respect for the law that it simply doesn't deserve.

It's people like you that would've blindly arrested Rosa Parks irrespective of what you personally thought of that particular law.

[BoristheBiter]

This is what I take issue with. It shows a blind respect for the law that it simply doesn't deserve.

It's people like you that would've blindly arrested Rosa Parks irrespective of what you personally thought of that particular law.

It's because you are a dick.

Likening a speeding ticket to civil rights what a fuck head.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Thanks UIsterkiwi - I was taught to be always gracious:

Good manners cost-eth nothing

you are welcome and indeed manners do cost nothing, which is why I commented on the idea you were discussing and did not enter into pointless (and rude) derision of you personally. I do not know you, therefore will not presume to make judgements on you personally. If however you freely enter into a public discussion and put forward an opinion which is (in my opinion) flawed then I will say so and I will do that in a manner of my choosing. I do so in the full knowledge that you or any other interested party has the freedom to similarly dispense comment on my ideas.

To further illustrate the point, an ungracious comment would have been to suggest you build a bridge and get over yourself, but I wouldn't do that

[Ulsterkiwi]

Thanks UIsterkiwi - I was taught to be always gracious:

Good manners cost-eth nothing

as further illustration I have included a more extreme example............

It's because you are a dick.

Likening a speeding ticket to civil rights what a fuck head.

[Robert Taylor]

Dont complain, the IWIs are constantly hungry and need lots of revenue from the consolidated fund

The last time I got pulled and ticketed I asked if I could make the cheque out straight away and to nominate which Iwi to make it out to so that it could avoid the middleman..........

[BoristheBiter]

as further illustration I have included a more extreme example............

Meh, who cares? if i think someones being a dick (or a fuckhead) i'll tell them, and i would expect to be treated the same, and have been.

Some people seem to live in a fantasy world where they believe the government is just out to get them and anyone that disagrees is just a sheep that sucks in every bit of political spin as the truth.
There is no point in trying to have a rational debate on these issues as they can't even begin to see the other side as that might mean they are wrong and is never considered. SWB and the post above is case in point.