Oh dear, Jeremy has to make public apology for "mumbling" that word

[PrincessBandit]

How come it's offensive to use that word when dumbarse wannabe gangsta rappers can say it whenever they like?

[jellywrestler]

How come it's offensive to use that word when dumbarse wannabe gangsta rappers can say it whenever they like?

he didn't use the word in a final take, whoever drew this to public attention needs a few niggas around to smadh their face in.

[James Deuce]

OK, this is where one has to step back and bear in mind that the culture you are discussing has taken ownership of that word as a collective noun. You may not agree with it, but it is not OK for the people who prosecuted imperialism and slavery on a racial sub-group of the same species because they had developed a philosophy that meant everyone not of European descent was genetically inferior to use. The Bronx Zoo had a human on display in 1902 and regarded him sub-human. A proportion of the population were horrified by this, and he was eventually freed, but he committed ritual suicide. He was an African pygmy. His family were murdered and he was forcibly relocated to Bronx Zoo.

Back to the original topic: How Clarkson recited that ditty is how I recite that ditty. It was taught to me when I began to speak. That is how I remember eeny, meeni, myknee, mo. My kids got taught the tiger version. When they used to come out with it it was a massive personal battle not to use the N word. It doesn't matter if you are personally affronted that "African-Americans" have appropriated a word. Our culture stole far more from generations of Africans. It's a touch over-sensitive to complain about that particular issue, however I think the bastards who have set after Jeremy Clarkson about this are fuckwits. We have seen massive change in cultural perceptions and the definition of racism and inter-cultural relations in the last 50 years. It is incredibly hard to break habits inculcated in early childhood.

[oneofsix]

I'm more upset about them changing the dogs name in Dambusters than the Clarkson affair, nigger is the typical anglo abbreviation of the Spanish word for black and the dog was black. Yeah Jerry let the word slip as he had learnt the ditty as a kid - so what, it didn't make to air until some scum released it and the media grabbed hold of it. Maybe it is time we stopped letting the media making us over sensitive to dum words. Correction read PC brigade for media.

[PrincessBandit]

It is incredibly hard to break habits inculcated in early childhood.

Exactly. Something that was a common childhood recitation when trying to make a choice is incredibly hard to break. When we said it as kids we had no idea that nigger was one of the "bad" words, although I don't know that it was "bad" back then. Is that a more recent thing?

[PrincessBandit]

I'm more upset about them changing the dogs name in Dambusters

OMG, I fell for that one at quiz night last year, being sure I knew the name of the dog in the slide - got our scribe to write it down (the Dambusters dog was a big news item at the time), only to discover that the dog was Hitler's dog, Blondie Boy did I get r-soles for that for a while!!

[jellywrestler]

we'll see when he fils in south africa if he has 'The Nig' with him eh?

[Ocean1]

it is not OK for the people who prosecuted....

They're all dead, dude. Gone. And their culture and ethics with them.

I point blank refuse to accept accountability for anyone else's behaviour, especially when I wasn't alive at the time.

And yes, the whole grievance attitude is almost laughably precious.

Edit: have I ever told you about the gollywogs a friend of the family made my kids?

She was the blackest woman you're ever likely to meet.

[James Deuce]

No,it's always been bad. Deliberately so. Sub-humans have no real feelings so it doesn't matter kind of bad. Teaching your kids that sort of vileness through rote and repetition is how you perpetuate economic advantage on a generational basis. That's the fundamental evil of that word. We've only just got our heads around it in time to realise that our society is completely built on the straw foundations of a moral system that views people as corporate entities.

[James Deuce]

They're all dead, dude. Gone. And their culture and ethics with them.

I point blank refuse to accept accountability for anyone else's behaviour, especially when I wasn't alive at the time.

And yes, the whole grievance attitude is almost laughably precious.

Nope, that isn't the issue. See my post above and you'll note it has nothing to do with grievance. It is simply about maintaining attitudes that allow one to justify the exploitation of the majority of the world's population for the benefit of a minority.

[Ocean1]

Nope, that isn't the issue. See my post above and you'll note it has nothing to do with grievance. It is simply about maintaining attitudes that allow one to justify the exploitation of the majority of the world's population for the benefit of a minority.

But I don't agree that the use of a word that outside of modern America means "black" implies any such attitude. It's bullshit, and I refuse to accept that it's use implies acceptance of any such exploitation.

[rustyrobot]

And yes, the whole grievance attitude is almost laughably precious.

Said every person ever without a grievance.

[SMOKEU]

People should stop being so fucking over sensitive. Who cares if someone says the word "nigger"? I don't mind if someone wants to poke a bit of fun at my heritage, and call me a "yarpie" or whatever.

These people who are so keen to complain need to find something better to do with their time.


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[Oakie]

No one has mentioned that the 'newspaper' that broke the story (The Daily Mirror) was the one who employed Piers Morgan, the twat who has been having an ongoing stouch with Clarkson for quite some time now. Perhaps some of Morgan's old mates are stirring things a little on Morgan's behalf?

[bogan]

What'd he say? what context?

Seems the plebs will take any excuse to get upset these days...