The cost of 'safe' drugs?

[awa355]

I know we need to have drugs for various reasons but the testing of animals to get these drugs ok'd sickens me.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/1000...ntific-testing

Dont know if there is an alternative, I certainly wish there was.

[tigertim20]

interesting that this has come up with the whole legal highs debacle.
I dont like the 'legal highs' - Im NOT defending them, but the 87000 animals that die arent all lovely wee labrador pups that could have had a loving family, most of them are rats and mice. Yes, a number of larger animals are used as well.

Its also worth noting that the 'experiments' on the 87000 animals also overs things like anti cancer drugs, and research on other medical issues, new surgical ideas, implant procedure tests, and a number of things that are aimed at directly impacting the quality of human life in a positive sense.
Also includes cosmetics testing etc.

Im anti 'legal highs' and anti testing on animals generally speaking, but the way its being implied is that the legal highs are responsible for a large portion of testing which simply isnt true.

[Waihou Thumper]

Dont know if there is an alternative, I certainly wish there was.

Get the people that want them, smoke them, inject, ingest... and put them in a room for the weekend and let them go for it.....
Then let the LD50 work it's magic!
I cannot believe there are wankers out there that still allow this to happen!
New Zealand still allows animal testing for medical research but the rest......
Just ship it off shore and do the research there and see what results we get.

Just as bad.....We aren't clean and green, just bull shit everyone into thinking that...

[Waihou Thumper]

Also includes cosmetics testing etc.

And that is the worst....
Spraying and rubbing cosmetics in the eyes of Rabbits that have been collared and caged to see if the latest eye shadow or blusher has an effect!
Check out most SDS sheets from chemical suppliers...
'severe irritant' Rabbit...and others...
It is pathetic!

[tigertim20]

Get the people that want them, smoke them, inject, ingest... and put them in a room for the weekend and let them go for it.....
Then let the LD50 work it's magic!
I cannot believe there are wankers out there that still allow this to happen!
New Zealand still allows animal testing for medical research but the rest......
Just ship it off shore and do the research there and see what results we get.

Just as bad.....We aren't clean and green, just bull shit everyone into thinking that...

human testing is the next step for everything once it passes the animal phase. A lot of students supplement their income by participating in exactly those trials. should be a balance though.
I understand animal testing for things of medical significance that positively impact, or potentially save human lives,

however things that are based on human desire or vanity, should be limited to human testing only - using willing human participants who wish to benefit from the development of said products.

And that is the worst....
Spraying and rubbing cosmetics in the eyes of Rabbits that have been collared and caged to see if the latest eye shadow or blusher has an effect!
Check out most SDS sheets from chemical suppliers...
'severe irritant' Rabbit...and others...
It is pathetic!

I couldn't give a fuck less about rabbits, they're a pest - though I suppose that comes down to an individuals perspective as to what animals have value - I suppose there are cunts out there to whom Labradors are just an annoying little fucker who barks incessantly in their neighbors back yard . . .

[Akzle]

two fiddy an ounce cuz!

[unstuck]

two fiddy an ounce cuz!

Rip off, I suppose it's cabbage too.

[oldrider]

Personal choice includes personal consequence ... eat poison you die!

[Berries]

Eat healthily and you still die.




Especially if you are a beagle.

[Tazz]

Bit of a toughie as I'm sure some areas of research take a lot more care with them than others. So many good things have come as a result of it that I doubt would have happened otherwise. Spose I could stick my hand up to run round with an ear growing on my back for the winter.....hmm.....

I suppose there are cunts out there to whom a Labrador is just another test subject

[Katman]

Dont know if there is an alternative, I certainly wish there was.

There certainly are testing methods that don't require animals. Computer modelling and advances in 'in vitro' testing have made animal testing unnecessary these days. These non-animal testing methods produce far more accurate results as well.

The only draw back is they are more expensive than testing on animals but in the case of legal highs that shouldn't be of any concern to the general public. The manufacturers of these products are who will be incurring the cost and the government should be making it as difficult as they can for the manufacturers to get their products back on shop shelves.

By giving access to testing on animals the government is simply making life easier for the manufacturers.

[Tazz]

There certainly are testing methods that don't require animals. Computer modelling and advances in 'in vitro' testing have made animal testing unnecessary these days. These non-animal testing methods produce far more accurate results as well.

The only draw back is they are more expensive than testing on animals but in the case of legal highs that shouldn't be of any concern to the general public. The manufacturers of these products are who will be incurring the cost and the government should be making it as difficult as they can for the manufacturers to get their products back on shop shelves.

By giving access to testing on animals the government is simply making life easier for the manufacturers.

Are you secretly an alcohol or 'big tobacco' representative?

[FJRider]

By giving access to testing on animals the government is simply making life easier for the manufacturers.

And ... taxing the manufacturers heavily for the product as well ...

The "Easy Life" costs ...

[SMOKEU]

I'm keen to "test" some drugs, but only the good ones. So if anyone is giving away free samples to test, count me in!

two fiddy an ounce cuz!

Bush or skunks?

SWIM can get some nice outdoor bush for $200 an ounce, it's really nice stuff.

[Akzle]

Bush or skunks?

SWIM can get some nice outdoor bush for $200 an ounce, it's really nice stuff.

skunky bush.
that's not bad. might have to move to crackerchurch.
(it was a toss up between that and crackedchurch)

fuck it. got me a million dollar view, pass the peace pipe...