I would say I'm surprised but that'd be a lie

[Madness]

But wait - surprise surprise. Even that isn't good enough for Steve and Madness. Somehow this decision confirms the bias in favour of the police.

Excuse me but where did I say I was unhappy with the ruling or the performance of the IPCA? You can kindly go fuck yourself.

[Scuba_Steve]

Sooo...


The much distrusted Police Complaints Authority rules that the Police acted unlawfully and breached human rights. That is a biggie. Prisoners have obtained court rulings for big payouts for breaches of human rights.

We couldn't ask for better evidence that the PCA is truely independant and will rule against the Police.

But wait - surprise surprise. Even that isn't good enough for Steve and Madness. Somehow this decision confirms the bias in favour of the police.

I'll let Jackie say it...

[Akzle]

We couldn't ask for better evidence that the PCA is truely independant and will rule against the Police.

per the ipca website
"Most complaints to the
Authority are referred to the
Police for investigation and
resolution. The Authority
independently oversees Police
handling of these complaints. The form of that oversight
depends on the nature of the
complaint, but can include
independent review or audit of
the Police investigation."
translate
"we warn the cops shit may hit the fan so they can hide as much evidence as need, then they write out a nice bullshit report, affifavits, tell all the boys the "real" story and surprise fucking surprise, you loose"


just F your I.

[Banditbandit]

That ewe Smokie?
Charity events don't include keeping the whole town awake all night doing illegal shit in cars, fucking good job, pity our minister of Police didn't back the boys on this one, was a very good way to deal with lots of potential miscreants who, given half a chance would have got ugly. shoot the lot of em would have been quicker and we'd not have lost too many potential citizens.

Fuck me - you and a few others here complain because boy racers don't obey the laws .... and then you support another group who flagrantly believe they have the authority to break the law ???

Don't you think that a little more consistency on the part of people who want the laws obeyed might go some way to helping the situation?

(Or I have I given you too many big words and deeper concepts than you can cope with?)

[Ulsterkiwi]

So what was it exactly that triggered the cops to close the road? Burnouts? 'some disorder'?
Is it illegal to have a gathering like that without some kind of notice or permit?
I suppose the police cant win really, if they do nothing one section of the community is up in arms, they go the other way and this is what happens.
So is there a 'right way' for the police to respond to events like this?

[TheDemonLord]

So what was it exactly that triggered the cops to close the road? Burnouts? 'some disorder'?
Is it illegal to have a gathering like that without some kind of notice or permit?
I suppose the police cant win really, if they do nothing one section of the community is up in arms, they go the other way and this is what happens.
So is there a 'right way' for the police to respond to events like this?

the right way would be to deal with each individual in a manner befitting that individuals behaviour...

But when you have 200 cars with updwards of 300 people and the police are probably outnumbered 6 -1, this is impossible to do.

I see the police side of when things like this happen - with large crowds, the police know that they could easily loose control unless they act overly aggressive to maintain control - kinda like shock and awe

[BoristheBiter]

Fuck me - you and a few others here complain because boy racers don't obey the laws .... and then you support another group who flagrantly believe they have the authority to break the law ???

Don't you think that a little more consistency on the part of people who want the laws obeyed might go some way to helping the situation?

(Or I have I given you too many big words and deeper concepts than you can cope with?)

So who can I sue for sitting in traffic for more than 15 min as the only thing was the police had a check point and because of the amount of traffic they had to wait, boo hoo sucks to them i guess.

[Akzle]

I see the police side of when things like this happen - with large crowds, the police know that they could easily loose control unless they act overly aggressive to maintain control - kinda like shock and awe

or, they could change the attitude of the institution so it was less "us vs them",
they could ignore BS laws that noone really wants, they could butt-secks some politicians more often, they could weed out all the kids that got bullied at school and the old boys that jack their mates off at the golf club and become a professional PEACE enforcement unit, rather than mindlessly and needlessly enforcing crown policy to keep lawerjews and jewdges paid.

but naaaaaah. force and threats of violence, that's a surefire way to get kiwis to comply.

[Akzle]

So who can I sue for sitting in traffic

noone. you live in auckland, it's your own retarded fault.

[R650R]

or, they could change the attitude of the institution so it was less "us vs them"

But "they" who call the police for help which is about 99% of population expects "them" 0.5% cops to deal the unruly 0.5% "us".
The whole modern system of justice and law enforcement is a game anyway operating under a more confused set of ever changing rules than the Americas cup.
People misbehaving here get off very lightly compared to other nations.
Just look at cop show on telly last night with that party in howick, huge turnout of cops, heaps of pissheads smashing bottles on road and fighting, going through peoples properties and only one arrested who was released next day anyway. Then the tenant comes on tv saying its not the first party and wont be the last.
We've had the same dispersal of mobile riots in our suburb, to say we are toughly policed or some kind of police state is ridiculous.

[Akzle]

But "they" who call the police for help which is about 99% of population expects "them" 0.5% cops to deal the unruly 0.5% "us

i dont know what circles you move in, but it's been a long while since i've met someone who'd expect help from the cops...

[mashman]

[Winston001]

Oh bugger it.

Generally I support the police because they have a prick of a job - we don't talk about the cheerless domestic disputes they attend and other awful stuff (child abuse etc).

But breaching fundamental rights - that is a no-go.

Big ups to the PCA for making this call.

[avgas]

His head from his body. So I don't think I will take his advice.

[scumdog]

per the ipca website
"Most complaints to the
Authority are referred to the
Police for investigation and
resolution. The Authority
independently oversees Police
handling of these complaints. The form of that oversight
depends on the nature of the
complaint, but can include
independent review or audit of
the Police investigation."
translate
"we warn the cops shit may hit the fan so they can hide as much evidence as need, then they write out a nice bullshit report, affifavits, tell all the boys the "real" story and surprise fucking surprise, you loose"


just F your I.

So what happened this time that your eleguent explanation of how the IPCA system works didn't pan out for the cops???