Come to New Zealand and die

[skippa1]

If he wasn't 'impaired' I couldn't give a fuck.

Minority....I would give a fuck....cause he would be impaired, a couple of beers will impair you

[MVnut]

Originally Posted by MVnut
(which I don't actually agree with)




That about sums it up.

so you don't think people are entitled to an opinion, I certainly don't mind if you disagree with me, but if he was on drugs, I think he's a criminal. ...and if I'm against drugs in general, am I not entitled to that opinion

[oneblackflag]

Minority....I would give a fuck....cause he would be impaired, a couple of beers will impair you

Maybe me; maybe not the pilot.

[Berries]

Can't understand why you all are sympathetic to the pilot, he murdered his passengers...what would you be saying if it was your family members dead

Who is sympathetic to the pilot? If he was impaired then I would be agreeing with you but just because someone is a habitual user and had THC in the system does not mean they were impaired. If he was then fuck him but I guess it is something we will never know.

Things go wrong quickly in the air and without power to get out of trouble you can watch it all unfold before you. It is not as if balloons hitting power lines are rare, as evidenced by the link in post #6 to the balloon in the US this week. You obviously have a very strong view of cannabis which is why you have already hung the pilot and taken his family out to be shot.

If the guy had over 1,000 hours flying and habitually flew while stoned then I would have thought evidence would have already been presented. In fact he would have had his licence taken off him years ago. It hasn't and they haven't so I don't think this is as clear cut as you are making out.

[Woodman]

Next time you fly,see how you feel if the pilot has a couple of beers in the bar before boarding.

If you think that's cool I suspect you will be a minority.

All I can say is that anyone who is happy to place their life in the hands of a drug affected person either has a strong belief in the afterlife or is tired of their current one

Sums it up really

Fuck the coneheads

[SMOKEU]

Quite different but still the same. Impairment is impairment. I'm no happier with those on prescription drugs and/or alcohol on the road. You would be a retard to be happy with that.
the difference of course is that your idiots on the road impaired are not selling commercial transport......big fucken difference

How does it make any difference if a drug affected person is "selling commercial transport" or not? They could still be operating a private vehicle, and the laws of physics don't care if it's a commercial operation or not.

It's a crock of shit because you clearly have no interest in whether the employee was actually impaired or not.

Exactly.

And since the driver has no way to prove he wasn't, he needs to accept that he was sacked.

Why? The person could come to work hungover with no detectable alcohol levels in their breath and still be significantly impaired.

You fuckin serious.
5 days prior to test he obviously was and he was in possession of one of our $600,000 rigs with a million bucks worth of goods on, driving on the same road as your grand kids and every other road user as well.

As usual your still a bloody retard!
Back on ignore!

That was 5 days ago. You're the only "bloody retard" here if you think someone is still going to be high 5 days after the last dose. I'm starting to think that you're the one affected by drugs here since you can't even put a rational argument together. Alcohol impairment the night before, a lack of sleep, and prescription drugs all affect someone much, much more than some weed up to a few days previously.

Can't understand why you all are sympathetic to the pilot, he murdered his passengers...what would you be saying if it was your family members dead

Where's the evidence?

We test for everything.
If there was alcohol involved he wouldn't have been going anywhere either, as per our policy. If he was in fact tested over the legal limit he would have suffered the same consequence but if under he would have been stood down until further notice without pay.
Likewise with any drugs of any kind unless they have sufficient medical clearance to state otherwise.
Basically if you have it in your system it is just a matter of how much with alcohol, if it's still under the legal limit we just hold them back if it's over then they are gone. With dope or drugs of any kind then they are automatically gone as there is legal requirements we have to meet by law and by our insurance company that requires us to dismiss them. Impaired or otherwise due to the fact that at some stage they definitely were impaired and law states that they must be clear of all drugs whilst operating a heavy vehicle. Personally i agree.

"Test for everything?" You're far more naive than I ever thought possible. Drug tests for recreational drugs only test a tiny minority of known psychoactive substances, probably less than 1% of known drugs.

The person could have been hungover as fuck, but how would you prove that with no detectable alcohol in their breath? Alcohol, caffeine and tobacco are all psychoactive drugs that very few people get "medical clearance" to consume. So are you saying that people shouldn't be allowed coffee or cigarettes on the job, or alcohol in their spare time after work?

All I can say is that anyone who is happy to place their life in the hands of a drug affected person either has a strong belief in the afterlife or is tired of their current one

Then what are you doing on KB if that's your view? You shouldn't drive a cage, ride a motorbike or pushbike, or even be a pedestrian then because there could be some drug crazed muppet ready to run you over. Stay home, it will be safer.

[SMOKEU]

Sums it up really

Fuck the coneheads

Fuck all the alcohol drinkers too, especially for being stupid enough to willingly ingest a neurotoxin that has very few medical benefits.

[imdying]

A number of wasters write the code for our air traffic control systems... enjoy that thought

[skippa1]

How does it make any difference if a drug affected person is "selling commercial transport" or not? They could still be operating a private vehicle, and the laws of physics don't care if it's a commercial operation or not.

Because they are not only taking the risk for themselves and those that my or may not be collateral damage of their choice, they are advertising, enticing and charging money for them to take part in their magical adventure. It's not physics, it's moral responsibility

[skippa1]

Fuck all the alcohol drinkers too, especially for being stupid enough to willingly ingest a neurotoxin that has very few medical benefits.

Your point may have more impact if you stayed on topic

[gammaguy]

How does it make any difference if a drug affected person is "selling commercial transport" or not? They could still be operating a private vehicle, and the laws of physics don't care if it's a commercial operation or not.



Exactly.



Why? The person could come to work hungover with no detectable alcohol levels in their breath and still be significantly impaired.



That was 5 days ago. You're the only "bloody retard" here if you think someone is still going to be high 5 days after the last dose. I'm starting to think that you're the one affected by drugs here since you can't even put a rational argument together. Alcohol impairment the night before, a lack of sleep, and prescription drugs all affect someone much, much more than some weed up to a few days previously.



Where's the evidence?



"Test for everything?" You're far more naive than I ever thought possible. Drug tests for recreational drugs only test a tiny minority of known psychoactive substances, probably less than 1% of known drugs.

The person could have been hungover as fuck, but how would you prove that with no detectable alcohol in their breath? Alcohol, caffeine and tobacco are all psychoactive drugs that very few people get "medical clearance" to consume. So are you saying that people shouldn't be allowed coffee or cigarettes on the job, or alcohol in their spare time after work?





Then what are you doing on KB if that's your view? You shouldn't drive a cage, ride a motorbike or pushbike, or even be a pedestrian then because there could be some drug crazed muppet ready to run you over. Stay home, it will be safer.

One big difference......in all those scenarios I am driving.....in the balloon/aircraft I am not,so my life is clearly in the hands of someone else

[Katman]

so you don't think people are entitled to an opinion, I certainly don't mind if you disagree with me, but if he was on drugs, I think he's a criminal. ...and if I'm against drugs in general, am I not entitled to that opinion

See that's your problem - you see a Cannabis user as a criminal but someone who drinks alcohol is just a person who sometimes drinks alcohol.

You sound like you've been well and truly brain washed.

[Jay GTI]

In my opinion it has been proven (enough for me anyway) that he was under the influence, therefore committing a crime by piloting the balloon...then when people get killed while committing a crime (felony) it becomes murder

Good thing we don't convict people based on someone's opinion formed from reading an article in the newspaper then. Breathe more, your brain is obviously not getting enough oxygen.

[Drew]

See that's your problem - you see a Cannabis user as a criminal but someone who drinks alcohol is just a person who sometimes drinks alcohol.

You sound like you've been well and truly brain washed.

A cannabis user IS a criminal though. Whether or not that is to your liking, it's a fact.

Heavy or moderate drinkers, are within the law to be so.


Still off topic though.

[Katman]

A cannabis user IS a criminal though. Whether or not that is to your liking, it's a fact.

And anyone who considers that opinion to be fair and just IS a fuckwit.