When people die on quad bikes, what kills them? Is it head injuries?

**HenryDorsetCase** · 16th May 2014, 12:48

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farm...-unjustifiable

I would have thought it would be crush injuries and broken necks.

The point I am getting at is what real utility a helmet has on a quad bike. Any agrarian types care to share?

I have only ever ridden a quad bike once in my life. It was a 50cc one at a kind of rink thing in Picton. We were waiting for the ferry and had time to kill... I spent most of the session riding the thing round on two wheels which was good fun. I was wearing a helmet. Full motorcycle gear in fact.

**bogan** · 16th May 2014, 12:56

For a kid it may well be head injuries as they'd be more likely to be thrown clear I would think.

The quad bike issue is very bureaucratic, I mean sure there are risky situations (hills or larking about) but when the quad is used normally the chance of an accident is pretty much 0. Been far closer to rolling a tractor than I have ever been to flipping a farm quad.

**Shaun Harris** · 16th May 2014, 13:08

Quad bikes and wanker farm crashes is why you road riders are paying so much in rego fees, they should have to have there own full insurance

**bogan** · 16th May 2014, 13:16

Originally Posted by Moto-Dynamix

Quad bikes and wanker farm crashes is why you road riders are paying so much in rego fees, they should have to have there own full insurance

Wrong, while some do make it through (those that occur on roads generally) it is due to data filing errors, not the design of the system, ie, they are already separate accounts.

**BigAl** · 16th May 2014, 13:38

Bro in law, dairy farmer, has flipped his quad more than once.

Once caused by top heavy spray tank that was full, another by a boom that dropped down and dug in, don't know reason for other times and once he was carry one of his kids.

Luckily thrown clear with no injuries in all cases but most of quad injuries are by crushing so helmet would do bugger all.

Perhaps though by wearing it you imply that you are thinking of safety.

**Shaun Harris** · 16th May 2014, 13:43

Originally Posted by bogan

Wrong, while some do make it through (those that occur on roads generally) it is due to data filing errors, not the design of the system, ie, they are already separate accounts.

So are you saying that all accidients related to motorcycles ie quads, motox, dirt bike etc are now seperate entities in the ACC system?

**bogan** · 16th May 2014, 13:45

Originally Posted by Moto-Dynamix

So are you saying that all accidients related to motorcycles ie quads, motox, dirt bike etc are now seperate entities in the ACC system?

They always have been separate categories. But cos your average writer-of-forms is unlikely to know the subtle difference between an XR600 and a CBR600, lots of farm accidents get chucked in with the road stuff.

**willytheekid** · 16th May 2014, 13:51

Originally Posted by Moto-Dynamix

Quad bikes and wanker farm crashes is why you road riders are paying so much in rego fees, they should have to have there own full insurance

+1!

Totally agree!, Sadly, farmers with a "she'll be right" attitude towards safety & alcohol seem's to be a major factor in farm bike crashes...and involving there kids at the same time!...cos that way...they too can grow up with the same bad habits & attitude towards safety!

(Oh...and Quads have an age limit in NZ...its 16! -http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/factsheets/19/all-terrain-vehicles.html ...and its for a good reason!)

Seriously...why are ALL motorcycles carelessly lumped into one stat?, yet only one user group pays??...surely only registered bikes should be covered by ACC, all others should be either clearly seperated from there BS stats, and forced to pay there own way (And DON'T try an sell the bullshit! argument that "but dirt bikers etc pay car rego blah fuckin blah!...Ive got a car too!...I also pay at the pumps, and out of my wages...does that mean I Too can take the high ground and don't need to register my road bike cos Im already paying my "share"?...of course fucking not!...but its ok for us road riders to pay excessive fees to cover every other type of "motorcycle" used within NZ...Just BS!!)

Personally...I feel it should be "individual cover"...the person!, not the vehicle!, and if you use the "service", your fees go up...if you manage to ride safely and avoid the use of the "service", fees should go down!....THATS user pays, and THATS fair....hence, it will never happen

Yes...I just paid my Rego fees

....can ya tell?

(Was tempted to take some lube!...just to ease the pain of being so roughly shafted!)

**Shaun Harris** · 16th May 2014, 13:53

Originally Posted by bogan

They always have been separate categories. But cos your average writer-of-forms is unlikely to know the subtle difference between an XR600 and a CBR600, lots of farm accidents get chucked in with the road stuff.

so sorry then, but what I Origianally said still stands then! And the road riders are paying for it

**bogan** · 16th May 2014, 13:59

Originally Posted by Moto-Dynamix

so sorry then, but what I Origianally said still stands then! And the road riders are paying for it

No, it doesn't. Because the proportion of farm bikes in said category has far less of an effect like other factors such as car drivers not seeing us, ACC deciding it is victim pays, and of course unskilled riders having accidents.

One of the big reasons is actually the attitudes you seem to be putting forward, that it is always somebody else's fault. Who gives a shit, put blame where you can actually do some good with it instead of just putting it as far from you as possible.

**Shaun Harris** · 16th May 2014, 14:03

Originally Posted by bogan

No, it doesn't. Because the proportion of farm bikes in said category has far less of an effect like other factors such as car drivers not seeing us, ACC deciding it is victim pays, and of course unskilled riders having accidents.

One of the big reasons is actually the attitudes you seem to be putting forward, that it is always somebody else's fault. Who gives a shit, put blame where you can actually do some good with it instead of just putting it as far from you as possible.

Not arguing man just debating! Can you show me some thing that shows all accidents related to motorcycles are seperate on the ACC books?

**bogan** · 16th May 2014, 14:03

Originally Posted by willytheekid

+1!

Totally agree!, Sadly, farmers with a "she'll be right" attitude towards safety & alcohol seem's to be a major factor in farm bike crashes...and involving there kids at the same time!...cos that way...they too can grow up with the same bad habits & attitude towards safety!

(Oh...and Quads have an age limit in NZ...its 16! -http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/factsheets/19/all-terrain-vehicles.html ...and its for a good reason!)

C'mon Willy, you're better than that. It isn't the reason our regos are so high, nobody said the dude had been drinking, and the age limit applies to riders not passengers.

**scott411** · 16th May 2014, 14:11

OK this is how it works,

Farm quad crashes are lumped in with the work place injurys, which is paid for by the employers levy, which charges farmers some of the highest rates with forestry contractors, due to the number of accidents in the industry

Road Bike crashes come out of the motor vehicle levy, which is collected from Fuel and rego levy's,. which is why when you fill out a ACC form, it asks you if the accident happend on a public road, or beach (which is technically a public road)

Motocross crashes are paid for out of the general levy, as all sports are, (rugby being the top claimer) which is funded out of the employee levy which is standard across the board for all wage and salary earners,

as stated above, with a beach accident on a quad you may get a cross over, but it would be exception not the rule

now before you start saying farm quad accidents push your road bike fees, there were 41 riders and passengers killed on the road in the last year, (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/road-deaths/toll.html) and only 5 quad related deaths , and at the moment its over 2 quads for every road bike and scooter being sold in NZ at the moment, the average farm quad would do probably over 10 x the hours a week than the average road bike rider would in my experience

**bogan** · 16th May 2014, 14:12

Originally Posted by Moto-Dynamix

Not arguing man just debating! Can you show me some thing that shows all accidents related to motorcycles are seperate on the ACC books?

Separate to what? Like how there is separate road user and farm/work accounts (is general knowledge right?) that gets paid out of for the injury? or how they figure to assign them to each?

Edit: hopefully Scott answered your question.

**Shaun Harris** · 16th May 2014, 14:13

Originally Posted by scott411

OK this is how it works,

Farm quad crashes are lumped in with the work place injurys, which is paid for by the employers levy, which charges farmers some of the highest rates with forestry contractors, due to the number of accidents in the industry

Road Bike crashes come out of the motor vehicle levy, which is collected from Fuel and rego levy's,. which is why when you fill out a ACC form, it asks you if the accident happend on a public road, or beach (which is technically a public road)

Motocross crashes are paid for out of the general levy, as all sports are, (rugby being the top claimer) which is funded out of the employee levy which is standard across the board for all wage and salary earners,

as stated above, with a beach accident on a quad you may get a cross over, but it would be exception not the rule

now before you start saying farm quad accidents push your road bike fees, there were 41 riders and passengers killed on the road in the last year, (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/road-deaths/toll.html) and only 5 quad related deaths , and at the moment its over 2 quads for every road bike and scooter being sold in NZ at the moment, the average farm quad would do probably over 10 x the hours a week than the average road bike rider would in my experience

Cheers Scott, that clears it up