When people die on quad bikes, what kills them? Is it head injuries?

[Berg]

What almost killed me when I rolled my quad (400 racing quad) was the neck damage.
I managed to destroy my neck at C2-C4 taking out all movement (fortunately temporarily) below neck level. That should have in theory finished me off but I was lucky.
My helmet saved my head and the damage to it was extreme. Without all the safety gear I think I would have been vegetable at best and probably dead at worst.

[ducatilover]

Plenty enough fullas get brain damage from relatively minor fuck ups on quads, I know of a few who have and it is pretty terrible to see somebody struggle to live and function from a bop on the noggin.
I vote yes to helmets, but a 15k fine is fucking stupid.

[HenryDorsetCase]

What kills them is the she'll be right attitude. I'm only going just up the road, across the paddock etc... then the cemetery afterwards.
Offender warned multiple times, commercial workplace, commercial level fine, nothing to argue about.
Similar culture shift in transport industry received same attitudes but some where along the line someone will have not been run over or crushed by falling freight due to some changes.

Actually another example is the building trades. I have a few clients in that industry and if you want to get them frothing all you have to do is mention "Workplace Safety" and watch them go.....

[Berries]

Presumably the utility of a quad (i.e. its a mini ute or tractor) plus ease of operaton means they'be been entirely supplanted by these abortions (i.e. quads)?.

Got a couple of these on the farm. Weather proof, in that if it is pissing down you can get in it and get some shelter and some heat. So far they have only ever fallen on to their side, not rolled over completely, and definitely not rolled over backwards on a hill. We won't have quads on the farm anymore.

[FJRider]

OK this is how it works ..

Some element of truth in you post. But ACC have the say in rego costs ... as they (Quad bike accidents) are deemed by them as (and included in THEIR statistics as) Motorcycle accidents. Hence ... is added to the ACC levy's ...

Quad bikes and wanker farm crashes is why you road riders are paying so much in rego fees, they should have to have there own full insurance

Private health Insurance has nothing to with the ACC levy's being added to the rego costs. Nor will an increase in private insurance change ACC policy.Those "Wanker Farm crashes" victim is still entitled to ACC assistance ... even if he was at fault. Such is ACC policy.


There is enough "Idiot" (Two wheel) motorcyclists that should NOT get ACC assistance ... regardless if they DID have their own private insurance ... OR NOT ... !!!

[ducatilover]

Some element of truth in you post. But ACC have the say in rego costs ... as they (Quad bike accidents) are deemed by them as (and included in THEIR statistics as) Motorcycle accidents. Hence ... is added to the ACC levy's ...




Private health Insurance has nothing to with the ACC levy's being added to the rego costs. Nor will an increase in private insurance change ACC policy.Those "Wanker Farm crashes" victim is still entitled to ACC assistance ... even if he was at fault. Such is ACC policy.


There is enough "Idiot" (Two wheel) motorcyclists that should NOT get ACC assistance ... regardless if they DID have their own private insurance ... OR NOT ... !!!

Read Scott's post.

[jellywrestler]

Wrong, while some do make it through (those that occur on roads generally) it is due to data filing errors, not the design of the system, ie, they are already separate accounts.

do you have proof of that, in the old days ACC forms had questions like was it on a registered bike on a legal road but i think that's long gone

[scott411]

Some element of truth in you post. But ACC have the say in rego costs ... as they (Quad bike accidents) are deemed by them as (and included in THEIR statistics as) Motorcycle accidents. Hence ... is added to the ACC levy's ...




Private health Insurance has nothing to with the ACC levy's being added to the rego costs. Nor will an increase in private insurance change ACC policy.Those "Wanker Farm crashes" victim is still entitled to ACC assistance ... even if he was at fault. Such is ACC policy.


There is enough "Idiot" (Two wheel) motorcyclists that should NOT get ACC assistance ... regardless if they DID have their own private insurance ... OR NOT ... !!!

can you tell me were you get your information? as i have never seen any information from ACC saying such things, farm accidents are not counted in the motor vehicle account,

http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/overv...nded/index.htm

[FJRider]

can you tell me were you get your information? as i have never seen any information from ACC saying such things, farm accidents are not counted in the motor vehicle account,

http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/overv...nded/index.htm

I lived with an ACC employee for a while.

And not ALL quad bike accidents happen on farms. They are popular on lifestyle blocks, for fishing/hunting, racing ... and just fucking around on ..

[Berries]

I lived with an ACC employee for a while.

Can you claim for that?

[scott411]

I lived with an ACC employee for a while.

And not ALL quad bike accidents happen on farms. They are popular on lifestyle blocks, for fishing/hunting, racing ... and just fucking around on ..

yes, but unless they are on a public road, or a beach, they are not counted on the Motor Vehcile account, (unless the form is completed wrong, which I said would happen)

I agree, It is not right that when a car is at fault it is still counted as a motorcycle accident on the road for their recording purposes,

[FJRider]

yes, but unless they are on a public road, or a beach, they are not counted on the Motor Vehcile account, (unless the form is completed wrong, which I said would happen)

Change your word Account ... to category ... it may help understand a little better.

For example ... some chainsaw accidents are Forestry accidents. Not ALL forestry accidents are chainsaw accidents. Nor are all chainsaw accident forestry accidents. But a chainsaw accident is always a chainsaw accident. (Chainsaw involved ... Chainsaw accident)

I agree, It is not right that when a car is at fault it is still counted as a motorcycle accident on the road for their recording purposes,

ACC is "No fault insurance" ... who is at fault is of NO consequence. A motorcycle involved is always listed as a motorcycle accident. The Claimant will ALWAYS say they were in a MOTORCYCLE accident ... as they WERE riding a motorcycle.

Motocross bike accidents are also added to their motorcycle crash statistics ...



Stat's can prove what ever you want proved.

[FJRider]

Can you claim for that?

I did .... I claimed Insanity.

But that's another story ...

[bogan]

do you have proof of that, in the old days ACC forms had questions like was it on a registered bike on a legal road but i think that's long gone

I can certainly recal seeing a distinction on a form, and have talked about it with a guy who does CAS stuff back when the ACC levy thingo was in full swing. But the specific search term to find said info escapes me atm.

[Milts]

Not about to jump into the politics of the fine, because I'm not sure what my opinion is on that.

However re stats: A large proportion of the injuries are head injuries.

ATV (quad bike) injuries in New Zealand children: their extent and severity / New Zealand Medical Journal, 2009

There were 218 confirmed cases of ATV injury. Mechanisms of injury were: a fall from the ATV, 105 cases (48%), a collision, 59 cases (31%), rolling 31 cases (14%) [...] The majority of injuries were orthopaedic, soft tissue injuries and head injuries.

Quad bike injuries in Waikato, New Zealand: an institutional review from 2007-2011. / Australia and New Zealand Journal of Surgery, 2013

From the local database of 13 400 trauma patients, 101 patients with ATV-related injury or death were identified. [...] A large number of head injuries were found.

Surgeons call for tighter regulation of quad bikes / Media release, Royal Australasian College of Surgeons, 2011

Australian hospital data suggests they are responsible for 8 to 11 per cent of all on-farm injuries, and rollover of the vehicle was associated with the largest number of fatalities (39 per cent). Head injuries occurred in 24 per cent of cases.