Some people have no sense of adventure

[Akzle]

Not allowed to leave nz without boat being up to cat 1 specs.....
reasonably costly..
basicly boat needs safety gear so less likely to need costly help from us when in trouble

i believe you mean ocean 1, which is some maritime safety shit (a flare pack and some harnesses, IIRC) and nothing to do with customs.

[Akzle]

MAF, don't you mean MPI. Still the same bunch of rejects, just with a shiny new name.

oh yeah... like winz is now

the ministry for social development

how much fucking money did they waste writing reports and having fucking wank fests to decide on these name changes...

[unstuck]

oh yeah... like winz is now

the ministry for social development

how much fucking money did they waste writing reports and having fucking wank fests to decide on these name changes...

Fuckloads. And then some. We are being governed by a bunch of retards.

[Akzle]

Fuckloads. And then some. We are being governed by a bunch of retards.

speak for yourself, i reserve the right to self determination, ie, to be governed by no-one but god. (jah, allah, buddha, gaia... take your pick)

[awayatc]

i believe you mean ocean 1, which is some maritime safety shit (a flare pack and some harnesses, IIRC) and nothing to do with customs.

No I mean cat 1
Coz thats what it is

nothing to do with customs , but then nobody said it did either

[Ocean1]

Not allowed to leave nz without boat being up to cat 1 specs.....
reasonably costly..
basicly boat needs safety gear so less likely to need costly help from us when in trouble

An American friend happened to be one of the first to benefit from that particular piece of bullshit. He arrived in Orks on a 60ft ketch with a US coastguard certificate of compliance and a shitload of extra gadgets. Two months later after arguing about supposedly having to replace his RIB, EPERB and a few other such ludicrous issues he simply cast off and set sail.

He's never been back. One of probably many cruisers who crossed NZ off their dance card as a result.

[awayatc]

An American friend .... having to replace his RIB, EPERB and a few other such ludicrous issues he simply cast off and set sail.

He's never been back. One of probably many cruisers who crossed NZ off their dance card as a result.

Epirb definitely not ludicrous.....even the Amercans have stopped selling and monitoring the older frequency ones.
Difference between old and new are enormous...both in accuracy and response time.
Quite important for a country like NZ that has to mount and finance a search and rescue operation in an enormous southern ocean.

you are right that lots of yachties didnt want to visit NZ anymore...
you got to wonder though how much of a loss that realy is.....
or rather was....
since the rest of the world is catching up

[unstuck]

speak for yourself, i reserve the right to self determination, ie, to be governed by no-one but god. (jah, allah, buddha, gaia... take your pick)

BULLSHIT. By trying so hard to disown the system, you are a part of the system. Whether you know it or not.
You sound a little like those monks in a monastery up in the himalayas that are so heavenly focused, they are no earthly good. Embrace the system, then rip it apart from the inside.

[Ocean1]

Epirb definitely not ludicrous.....even the Amercans have stopped selling and monitoring the older frequency ones.
Difference between old and new are enormous...both in accuracy and response time.
Quite important for a country like NZ that has to mount and finance a search and rescue operation in an enormous southern ocean.

you are right that lots of yachties didnt want to visit NZ anymore...
you got to wonder though how much of a loss that realy is.....
or rather was....
since the rest of the world is catching up

Probably. I was simply pointing out how idiotic it was for one of the smallest, and most remote maritime nations on earth to require every boat registered somewhere else that happened to be passing by NZ to meet their unusual safety reg's. Especially when ours directly contridicted some other international systems. Take that aproach to it's natural conclusion and you'd be buying a complete new set of equipment at evey port of call.

The whole concept and implimentation was fucked up. Done properly we might have ended up with an actual professional coast guard, with all of the positive spin-offs that would have entailed. As it was it cost the NZ marine industry, (which was booming on the back of successful campaigns in international competitions at the time) a metric shitload of custom.

[oldrider]

BULLSHIT. By trying so hard to disown the system, you are a part of the system. Whether you know it or not.
You sound a little like those monks in a monastery up in the himalayas that are so heavenly focused, they are no earthly good. Embrace the system, then rip it apart from the inside.

Thats what the Maori party were doing in parliament but their supporters are too dumb to appreciate the ground that they have been making!