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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakie View Post
    Just putting it out there ... but what if bikers ACC levies weren't reduced solely because of the number of bikers who didn't relicence their bikes (and there are plenty here on KB trumpeting that) meant that the annual amount required (call it 10 million just to have a figure) had to be obtained from a smaller number of registered bikers so each of us had to pay more. Just sayin'.
    I might be bitchin about it but it doesn't stop me fully or at least part rego'ing at least 3 of my 7 registerable bikes so I can ride them when I feel like it...still pisses me of though...I CAN'T RIDE THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME so why I have to pay multiple ACC levies confounds me
    It does help that most of them are classics so the fee is acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swarfie View Post
    I might be bitchin about it but it doesn't stop me fully or at least part rego'ing at least 3 of my 7 registerable bikes so I can ride them when I feel like it...still pisses me of though...I CAN'T RIDE THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME so why I have to pay multiple ACC levies confounds me
    It does help that most of them are classics so the fee is acceptable.
    It's not just multiple registration levies that aren't fair. Now that I think about it I'm in favour of risk-based ACC levies for every account.

    I've worked out that if they moved away from charging each account type based on how much money the target group has to a motorcycle style risk based policy across the board for all accounts I'd be better of by about $5k per year. My van registration would be a pittance to start with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    I'm in favour of risk-based ACC levies for every account.
    When are people going to get it that ACC is NOT insurance in the normal sense. It is a scheme that was originally designed to spread the cost of accidents across the whole population with NO FAULT attributed to the accident "victims". The ONLY way this can be achieved in a fair manner is to fund it out of income tax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    It is a scheme that was originally designed to spread the cost of accidents across the whole population with NO FAULT attributed to the accident "victims".
    The key word there being 'originally'.

    Three generations of pandering to the evergrowing 'it's all about me' portion of society has successfully destroyed any vestige of the original ACC concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    The ONLY way this can be achieved in a fair manner is to fund it out of income tax.
    what about those who dont "earn income" (or don't declare it... cashies yo)

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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    When are people going to get it that ACC is NOT insurance in the normal sense. It is a scheme that was originally designed to spread the cost of accidents across the whole population with NO FAULT attributed to the accident "victims". The ONLY way this can be achieved in a fair manner is to fund it out of income tax.

    I agree, the only time I've claimed ACC has been from a speedway crash. So It didn't even happen in a registered vehicle.

    If motorcycling is costing the health system $1300 per person annually. So we get charged more, why aren't racing licenses charged an ACC levy? Why aren't rugby players paying ACC levies on top of their income? I know 2 soccer players who have sprained their ankles bad enough to need ACC paid time off work.... They are claiming more from ACC than the average motorcyclist. Yet they aren't being targeted for levies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    When are people going to get it that ACC is NOT insurance in the normal sense. It is a scheme that was originally designed to spread the cost of accidents across the whole population with NO FAULT attributed to the accident "victims". The ONLY way this can be achieved in a fair manner is to fund it out of income tax.
    I didn't say it was.

    I was simply pointing out the obvious: ACC get to eat their cake AND keep it. We've got both income based levies where that means more revenue for ACC and risk based levies where that makes more money for ACC.

    All the "fair's fair, pay your dues" bullshit ignores the fact that some of us pay an imperial shitload more than we're ever likely to cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haydes55 View Post
    Yet they aren't being targeted for levies.
    motorcycles are quick agile machines with fair range. could certainly out manouvre... say, an apc, or a tank.
    when it comes time to lock down the population, you want them immobile and unarmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    what about those who dont "earn income" (or don't declare it... cashies yo)
    They are just a drain in the countries finances generally. Dealing with them is an issue all on it's own and not relevant to issues of ACC funding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    I didn't say it was.
    You certainly implied it:
    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    I'm in favour of risk-based ACC levies for every account.
    Risk based levies are the purview of insurance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    some of us pay an imperial shitload more than we're ever likely to cost.
    Which is why it needs to be taken out of tax so that the cost is fairly distributed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    what about those who dont "earn income" (or don't declare it... cashies yo)
    They are being subsidised by those who do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    you realise a lot of the next generation doesn't want to play the money game? .
    No, it's very few. I don't know any personally. Might be just you.
    I am not happy about the amount of money I have to fork out in ACC payments but it is a fact of life in this country if you pay tax and live in mainstream society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    Which is why it needs to be taken out of tax so that the cost is fairly distributed.
    IMO you're taking it from the wrong tax, I'd put it wholly on the GST, that way everyone pays working or not regardless of age. Everyone can use it why not everyone pay for it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    an issue all on it's own and not relevant to issues of ACC funding.
    well it is, in that if youre swapping cash for stuff, and youre not telling the jrd, the appropriate levy wouldnt be paid, innit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    IMO you're taking it from the wrong tax, I'd put it wholly on the GST, that way everyone pays working or not regardless of age. Everyone can use it why not everyone pay for it?
    this .

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