Open face or full face?

[scumdog]

I don't expect anybody else to pay for any fixing up that is necessary. Yes, I'm damn glad when they do but the choice is theirs, not mine.

All you lot advocating removing my freedom to do what I will with my body and mind had better get used to spending your life wrapped up in cotton wool within a massive concrete bunker. And don't expect to ever see the sun again.

So, when you arse off your scoot you wouldn't be too perturbed if 'anybody' passing by just kept doing that, no help was offered/

and you think that if they DID help but you were taxed to make this possible it would make you 'wrapped in cotton wool'?

You neeed to get some balance before you rant methinks.

(OK, I'm home, crook with the flu and bored!)

[swbarnett]

So, when you arse off your scoot you wouldn't be too perturbed if 'anybody' passing by just kept doing that, no help was offered/

My focus is arse about from most people it seems. I do not expect anybody to help. I am very grateful for to those that do and think no less of those that don't.

and you think that if they DID help but you were taxed to make this possible it would make you 'wrapped in cotton wool'?

No, the taxing in and of itself won't bring out the cotton wool. That comes when people complain that the cost is too high and enforce the cotton wool in order to reduce it.

[GrayWolf]

actually it's not so easy...
the great part of noise you hear on a bike is not from the engine but aerodynamics, and other's engines noise is masked buy the air as well.
while making research to write my safety book i've found studies that make clear how from 40kmh the problem it's the air.
this leads us to another strange situation: from about 40-50 kmh you have better alert sound recognition with an helmet on, and from 50-60 kmh it'll be better to use earplugs.
i strongly suggest anybody should use earplugs when on the bike outside the relative-slow city environment. keep earplugs in your jacket and as soon as your journey stretches out of the city with speed higher than 60 kmh stop a sec and put them on.
it's better for your riding AND for your hearing (at 90 kmh the noise inside any helmet is higher than the limit for workplaces...)


...which is simply the only situation you're wearing an helmet for...
but pay attention with the flip front: it's not at all the best of both world.
you should open it up ONLY when not on the bike. if you're riding with the chin guard opened you're doing something VERY VERY VERY DANGEROUS.
remember that an open flip front IS MCUH WORSE than a open face in the event of a crash...
DO-NOT-RIDE-WITH-A-FLIP-FRONT-OPEN!

Fair comment on speed/air.. but I would not expect to be riding much more than 30-40kph in City traffic. So Ibelieve my statement stands.
As for the flip front being open? Again ONLY in town at low speeds..... I 'balance' the risk Vs improved peripheral vision etc.

[Erelyes]

Or you could put it another way:

Indeed you could... *shudder*

What I'm saying is that the freedom to make those bad choices about what I do to myself is one of the cornerstones of a just society. Something I am more than willing to contribute to financially

Fair point, I suppose I didn't think of it from that angle.

[amboman]

Could not have said it better myself - nuf said.



"Motorcycling is not inherently dangerous. It is, however, EXTREMELY unforgiving of inattention, ignorance, incompetence and stupidity!" - Anonymous

[NordieBoy]

i am sure that whomever wore that helmet was happy s/he did

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Actually, that helmet (KBC FFR) rates VERY lowly on the SHARP ratings.

[6ft5]

I am with GrayWolf on this, and use a SHARK Evoline 3 - PERSONAL CHOICE!

[BlackSheepLogic]

Their called cars, with air bags and seatbelts and side intrusion bars and side curtain air bags and...

Gold Wing's have an Air-Bag, just wonder how effective they are.

[Big Dog]

Are you trying to call a gold wing a car?

[Big Dog]

I saw a gold wing trike in the 90s that was registered as a car.

[James Deuce]

Gold Wing's have an Air-Bag, just wonder how effective they are.

Pretty helpful for those people who insist on only using the rear brake.

[Big Dog]

The only wing I have ever ridden had linked brakes. It was only a few kms so I never came to terms with it but it seemed linked to speed. Front brakes used both brakes. The faster I was going either the rear brake became less effective or more power was transferred to the front than the rear.
The back brake was back only at walking pace but almost slammed my face into the dash with how aggressively it activate the front at 50-60.

Eerie sensation having brakes you did not use operate.

[James Deuce]

The only wing I have ever ridden had linked brakes. It was only a few kms so I never came to terms with it but it seemed linked to speed. Front brakes used both brakes. The faster I was going either the rear brake became less effective or more power was transferred to the front than the rear.
The back brake was back only at walking pace but almost slammed my face into the dash with how aggressively it activate the front at 50-60.

Eerie sensation having brakes you did not use operate.

It doesn't use all the front brake pistons when you use just the foot pedal either. The airbag is pretty much a litigation prevention tool to cover Honda in the event that the wilfully unskilled fail to use all their options set the airbag off.

[Big Dave]

The only wing I have ever ridden had linked brakes. It was only a few kms so I never came to terms with it but it seemed linked to speed. Front brakes used both brakes. The faster I was going either the rear brake became less effective or more power was transferred to the front than the rear.
The back brake was back only at walking pace but almost slammed my face into the dash with how aggressively it activate the front at 50-60.

Eerie sensation having brakes you did not use operate.

It was broken. When operating correctly linked brakes are barely noticable. Just stop a bit better.

[pritch]

It was broken. When operating correctly linked brakes are barely noticable.

Absolutely. I have ridden Blackbirds, a Goldwing, and have owned a VFR, so have done a few Ks with linked brakes. A lot of the people who say they don't like the system haven't actually used it. To get both brakes operating fully you have to apply both brakes, neither brake lever will operate the other brake at max.