John Banks guilty

[avgas]

do they stop teaching english south of fucking hamilton or something.

Don't you mean white-man-talk? (or whatever the monkey chatter equivalent of that is)

[Fatt Max]

Oh ye of little education....

Fat people make a difference to you and the environment....let me explain..

1. Fat People are environmentally friendly, we use less water in the bath

2. Fat people are harder to kidnap. Kim Dot Com proved that, the FBI could have grabbed him at any time but your average 'Grab Team' consists of only 4 operatives, how the fuck were they going to lift him into the van after necking him with a needle full of roofee, and

3. Fat people will be useful in the event of a zombie apocolypse. Have you noticed the rise in prices of properties in the vicinity of bakeries and takeaway bars? There is a reason for this, the zombie apocolypse is looming and if you live next to a fat person they will (a) not be able to run as fast as you so the zombies will catch them first, and (b) an average porker can feed a familiy of zombies for a month, unlike skinny fuckers who are aboutr as good as a lolly stick

So there you have it skinny mutha fuckers...rejoice in the lardness and get some frikken' Fattitude....

[awa355]

It all happens for fat people.

[oldrider]

It all happens for fat people.

What was that guy's name again ... Thomas wasn't it? (Hint: 2000 years ago starts with D!)

[Winston001]

Sorry guys but time for a reality check. You can laugh all you want.

John Banks irritates me but I'd shake his hand:

Lets compare the guy to ourselves and the other politicians out there:

John Banks parents were criminals and went to jail. No bloody use to a child.

John Banks somehow overcame that in an era when most bad kids went to the Boys Home and disappeared.

Eventually he rose from nothing to own a restaurant and then expanded to more. What a prick eh! Successful from nothing.

Eventually he got elected to Parliament. And became Minister of Police.

Then Mayor of Auckland.

Not bad for a kid from the streets.

Then he adopted orphans from Russia.

How many politicians in NZ have done that?

Then he stood up for animal rights and opposed laboratory testing of drugs on animals.

I'd guess that many of us here wouldn't have done that.

This is a man whom you disrespect? Really?

[Hinny]

Yeh very easy to claim that when it doesn't go his way. The fact stands that Banks choose a judge-alone trial, rather than a jury of his peers. Why was he so dumb? Arguably he hedged his bets thinking that he would get off easier than if he had a jury trial.

I would have thought the clever route to take if you are guilty is trial by jury. Easier to sway or bamboozle a group of average joes off the street.
I imagine Judges to be far harder to pull the wool over their eyes.
David Bain case illustrates this fairly succinctly. Judges of Court of Appeal reckoned 'you could not find a jury in the land that would not convict him' ... but the Bain team did!

[Banditbandit]

I would have thought the clever route to take if you are guilty is trial by jury. Easier to sway or bamboozle a group of average joes off the street.
I imagine Judges to be far harder to pull the wool over their eyes.
David Bain case illustrates this fairly succinctly. Judges of Court of Appeal reckoned 'you could not find a jury in the land that would not convict him' ... but the Bain team did!

In my close observations (many times sitting in court over a number of years) it's a bit of a lottery

If I wanted to argue points of Law I would pick a judge - because they know the law ... juries are swayed by emotion and struggle with subtle points of law ...

If I didn't want to argue subtle law I would choose a jury - easy to sway on emotional appeal.

Banks took a good option ... he had a legal argument ... I believe a jury would have convicted him because he's "a politician and they all lie" .. a judge was the best bet .. but the judge wasn't buying it either .. .

[Laava]

Sorry guys but time for a reality check. You can laugh all you want.

John Banks irritates me but I'd shake his hand:

Lets compare the guy to ourselves and the other politicians out there:

John Banks parents were criminals and went to jail. No bloody use to a child.

John Banks somehow overcame that in an era when most bad kids went to the Boys Home and disappeared.

Eventually he rose from nothing to own a restaurant and then expanded to more. What a prick eh! Successful from nothing.

Eventually he got elected to Parliament. And became Minister of Police.

Then Mayor of Auckland.

Not bad for a kid from the streets.

Then he adopted orphans from Russia.

How many politicians in NZ have done that?

Then he stood up for animal rights and opposed laboratory testing of drugs on animals.

I'd guess that many of us here wouldn't have done that.

This is a man whom you disrespect? Really?

You'd think all of that would have made him a humble down to earth kind of guy.

[oldrider]

You'd think all of that would have made him a humble down to earth kind of guy.

Maybe he is ... unless you know him personally the only John Banks that you will ever meet is media contrived ... huge difference "sometimes"!

[Banditbandit]

Sorry guys but time for a reality check. You can laugh all you want.

John Banks irritates me but I'd shake his hand:

Lets compare the guy to ourselves and the other politicians out there:

John Banks parents were criminals and went to jail. No bloody use to a child.

John Banks somehow overcame that in an era when most bad kids went to the Boys Home and disappeared.

Eventually he rose from nothing to own a restaurant and then expanded to more. What a prick eh! Successful from nothing.

Eventually he got elected to Parliament. And became Minister of Police.

Then Mayor of Auckland.

Not bad for a kid from the streets.

Then he adopted orphans from Russia.

How many politicians in NZ have done that?

Then he stood up for animal rights and opposed laboratory testing of drugs on animals.

I'd guess that many of us here wouldn't have done that.

This is a man whom you disrespect? Really?

Yes, I can respect a man who does that.

What I don't respect is his attitude that "anyone can do that" ...

And I don't respect him for his bullshit and lying and deviousness ... makes me wonder just how ethical were his business practices that made him rich ..

[oldrider]

Yes, I can respect a man who does that.

What I don't respect is his attitude that "anyone can do that" ...

And I don't respect him for his bullshit and lying and deviousness ... makes me wonder just how ethical were his business practices that made him rich ..

"So many men so many opinions" ... it's like "common sense" ... who's brand?

[Winston001]

You'd think all of that would have made him a humble down to earth kind of guy.

Yeah, agreed. Maybe its as John says, we only see the public persona.

And I don't respect him for his bullshit and lying and deviousness ... makes me wonder just how ethical were his business practices that made him rich ..

Presumably you are referring to his denial of knowing about the donations? Yes that is a stupid lie. But in context it is actually minor. Politicians are allowed to accept donations - there is nothing unlawful about that. They are allowed to have secret donations as in the case of David Cunliffe.

The problem about political donations is the donor might later seek a favour - and Dot Com gave evidence he tried, but John Banks would have nothing to do with him. So there is no undue influence here.

Mike Williams, a vastly experienced Labour man says that in his experience no politician would ever ask for and receive money directly - the arrangements would always be handled by a campaign manager. In essence he was backing up Banks version of events. Who knows.

[avgas]

Sorry guys but time for a reality check. You can laugh all you want.
John Banks irritates me but I'd shake his hand:
Lets compare the guy to ourselves and the other politicians out there:
John Banks parents were criminals and went to jail. No bloody use to a child.
John Banks somehow overcame that in an era when most bad kids went to the Boys Home and disappeared.
Eventually he rose from nothing to own a restaurant and then expanded to more. What a prick eh! Successful from nothing.
Eventually he got elected to Parliament. And became Minister of Police.
Then Mayor of Auckland.
Not bad for a kid from the streets.
Then he adopted orphans from Russia.
How many politicians in NZ have done that?
Then he stood up for animal rights and opposed laboratory testing of drugs on animals.
I'd guess that many of us here wouldn't have done that.
This is a man whom you disrespect? Really?

That is the recipe for a criminal mastermind. He has a cover story. He has a hard luck tale. He has the woe is me persona.

I mean think about it - he could have gone completely in another direction. He could have made everything legitimate, everything upfront, he could have been a pillar of what to do.

Instead he became shifty. And it got worst - he got shifty on stuff he got caught with.
So if you consider he didn't talk about stuff until all FACTS were laid out in front of him - what hasn't he told us?

What items are missing facts and he is not being honest about?

The greatest act the devil ever did was make people believe he didn't exist.

[Banditbandit]

Presumably you are referring to his denial of knowing about the donations? Yes that is a stupid lie. But in context it is actually minor.

I can't write off his shuck dive and shuffle on this as "minor" ..

Politicians are allowed to accept donations - there is nothing unlawful about that. They are allowed to have secret donations as in the case of David Cunliffe.

Yes - but only to a certain limit. And I'm not happy about their shucking and jiving to get around this issue - such as National's cabinet Club .. but hey - politicians are natural shuck and jivers ... BUT that does not make it acceptable behaviour ..

The problem about political donations is the donor might later seek a favour - and Dot Com gave evidence he tried, but John Banks would have nothing to do with him. So there is no undue influence here.

Mike Williams, a vastly experienced Labour man says that in his experience no politician would ever ask for and receive money directly - the arrangements would always be handled by a campaign manager. In essence he was backing up Banks version of events. Who knows.

Yeah .. who knows? But not a good look ..

[Katman]

I imagine Judges to be far harder to pull the wool over their eyes.

Unless their name happens to be Philippa Cunningham.