Govt-owes-us-a-living types

[Akzle]

There is however no option for Asian New Zealander, African New Zealander, etc. Clearly biased and racist.

asian isnt a race, and africa is a country. You racist.

[MisterD]

NZ is backward and racist.

NZ is parochial and xenophobic, which is almost but not quite, the same thing.

If you still doubt these words, look at the wording for the NZ census. There is a race option there called European New Zealander. There is however no option for Asian New Zealander, African New Zealander, etc. Clearly biased and racist.

However, just because the form gives the top five (or whatever) most likely options, it doesn't make it "racist".

What is racist, is the different perception of my 5th-generation white Kiwi missus, and her 5th-generation Chinese Kiwi mate.

[Robert Taylor]

Cool ... so it's the white blood that makes them crims then ???

I prefer the idea of being colour blind and I think Makis post sums up the situation really well.

What is criminal is the racism and hypocricy that is being practiced by people of mixed blood and the lawyers ( a good many 100% European ) having a feast off the constant ''full and final treaty settlements''. PARASITES.

Taxpayers of all races are funding this nonsense

[FJRider]

asian isnt a race, and africa is a country. You racist.

Asian is just as much a race as "Coloured" ... Nationality of said (either) races are entirely a different thing ..

Africa is a Continent ... South Africa is a country.

[FJRider]

I prefer the idea of being colour blind

It must be a bitch for you at the traffic lights ...

What is criminal is the racism and hypocricy that is being practiced by people of mixed blood and the lawyers ( a good many 100% European ) having a feast off the constant ''full and final treaty settlements''. PARASITES.

But being WHITE does have it's benefits ... right .. ???

Are you assuming there are NO mixed blood Lawyers .. ???

Taxpayers of all races are funding this nonsense

Move to Australia ... Things are so different there ... Oh wait !! ...

Perhaps the USA ... mmmmm .. maybe not ...

[haydes55]

Maori, in most cases get free tertiary study, guaranteed acceptance into uni, free $10,000 business kick start funding for viable businesses, larger fishing quotas for profit and numerous other perks of being born with the special blood mix.

All these benefits and opportunities which are not provided to any other race, yet they still manage to be over represented in crime statistics, especially violence. Ever think that maybe if their every demand wasn't pandered to, they might just accept they are equals, not greater. They might work for what they want, instead of demand what they want and get it, or when they don't get it, forcefully take it.

I'm white, because of the colour of my skin, the government says I'm the wrong colour to get free uni, I'm not the prefered race to get business funding, I'm not gaining any land/dividends from stuff stolen from my great great grand parents.

I'm white, I'm part of the most discriminated race in New Zealand today. There is no ministry for my affairs, there is no one in government fighting that I am allowed the same opportunity as the baby born in the hospital bed beside mine.

The past is the past, it's been several generations since any apartheid-ish policy has been in force in NZ, and apparently 2 wrongs make a right. By oppressing the white man, somehow that makes dead peoples unfair lives, now fair.

[Akzle]

Asian is just as much a race as "Coloured" ... Nationality of said (either) races are entirely a different thing ..

Africa is a Continent ... South Africa is a country.

coloured isnt a race, either.

but yeah. cuntry, cuntinent, whatever, it aint a race. there's no "african race" as there's no "azn race"

[swarfie]

Maori, in most cases get free tertiary study, guaranteed acceptance into uni, free $10,000 business kick start funding for viable businesses, larger fishing quotas for profit and numerous other perks of being born with the special blood mix.

All these benefits and opportunities which are not provided to any other race, yet they still manage to be over represented in crime statistics, especially violence. Ever think that maybe if their every demand wasn't pandered to, they might just accept they are equals, not greater. They might work for what they want, instead of demand what they want and get it, or when they don't get it, forcefully take it.

I'm white, because of the colour of my skin, the government says I'm the wrong colour to get free uni, I'm not the prefered race to get business funding, I'm not gaining any land/dividends from stuff stolen from my great great grand parents.

I'm white, I'm part of the most discriminated race in New Zealand today. There is no ministry for my affairs, there is no one in government fighting that I am allowed the same opportunity as the baby born in the hospital bed beside mine.

The past is the past, it's been several generations since any apartheid-ish policy has been in force in NZ, and apparently 2 wrongs make a right. By oppressing the white man, somehow that makes dead peoples unfair lives, now fair.

Well said that man. Completely agree with ALL that you stated. I am also a hard working European Kiwi (fourth generation kiwi) and although I don't consider myself too racist (some would disagree) I'm bloody working on it. If anybody is being racist IMO it's our brown brothers and like so many whitey's I know, we're getting heartily sick of it. No more free money I say!

[Drew]

Maori, in most cases get free tertiary study, guaranteed acceptance into uni, free $10,000 business kick start funding for viable businesses, larger fishing quotas for profit and numerous other perks of being born with the special blood mix.

All these benefits and opportunities which are not provided to any other race, yet they still manage to be over represented in crime statistics, especially violence. Ever think that maybe if their every demand wasn't pandered to, they might just accept they are equals, not greater. They might work for what they want, instead of demand what they want and get it, or when they don't get it, forcefully take it.

I'm white, because of the colour of my skin, the government says I'm the wrong colour to get free uni, I'm not the prefered race to get business funding, I'm not gaining any land/dividends from stuff stolen from my great great grand parents.

I'm white, I'm part of the most discriminated race in New Zealand today. There is no ministry for my affairs, there is no one in government fighting that I am allowed the same opportunity as the baby born in the hospital bed beside mine.

The past is the past, it's been several generations since any apartheid-ish policy has been in force in NZ, and apparently 2 wrongs make a right. By oppressing the white man, somehow that makes dead peoples unfair lives, now fair.

There is nothing to add to this. Well said!

[pritch]

I've read quite a few articles about Parihaka from different sources, I've yet to see one mention anyone being "ridden down" except for one child losing a toe when it was stood on by a horse

I have a copy of Cowan here, and although I haven't read it of late, the one child detail is correct as I recall. To my knowledge this was not because he was "ridden down"
more to do with having lots of horses and kids in close proximity. The rape story is new and almost up there with the TV3 reference to "the massacre at Parihaka" a few years back.

TV3 had the good grace to apologise quickly.

The identity of the boy injured at Parihaka was not unknown, he grew up to be Sir Maui Wiremu Pita Naera Pomare KBE CMG

[R650R]

I'm white, because of the colour of my skin, the government says I'm the wrong colour to get free uni, I'm not the prefered race to get business funding

Well if one of my best mates from high school was any whiter he'd be a ghost. From a broken family on DPB and state house etc he ended up getting scholarship for uni as he studied hard. Yes there are added options for maori but this lil skinny white kid did his homework and got there. Then he was top of class at UNI at got flown to job interviews by prospective employers.
ALL because of what HE did and how hard HE studied.

[haydes55]

Well if one of my best mates from high school was any whiter he'd be a ghost. From a broken family on DPB and state house etc he ended up getting scholarship for uni as he studied hard. Yes there are added options for maori but this lil skinny white kid did his homework and got there. Then he was top of class at UNI at got flown to job interviews by prospective employers.

ALL because of what HE did and how hard HE studied.

Exactly, no matter how hard this hard working white boy worked, he is banned from getting scholarships based on is race. Look at uni, you can see loads of people of all races, I wasn't saying that white people are being blocked from uni. I'm saying a white person who works a bit harder and is a bit smarter than a Maori student, will be rejected from uni to give up their seat for a Maori. A white person can't apply for every scholarship, a Maori can apply for every scholarship. A Maori can get into uni without even earning university entrance, a white person can get rejected from uni even with university entrance. Universities have a minimum percentage of Maori students in most papers. Pass rates are supposed to follow those percentages as well, for example, a Maori med student in their final exam to become a Dr. Only needs to be 70% correct to pass. Whereas any other race needs to score 80%.

Racial discrimination is, by definition, providing a benefit, or rejecting benefits to one or several groups, based on their race. Rejecting benefits to someone because they are white, us racial discrimination. I'd love to see someone fight for their rights to have a Maori perk in court, claiming their right to be free from racial discrimination as outlined in the bill of rights.

[Shadowjack]

...blah, blah blah...I'm white, because of the colour of my skin, the government says I'm the wrong colour to get free uni, I'm not the prefered race to get business funding, I'm not gaining any land/dividends from stuff stolen from my great great grand parents.

I'm white, I'm part of the most discriminated race in New Zealand today. There is no ministry for my affairs, there is no one in government fighting that I am allowed the same opportunity as the baby born in the hospital bed beside mine.

The past is the past, it's been several generations since any apartheid-ish policy has been in force in NZ, and apparently 2 wrongs make a right. By oppressing the white man, somehow that makes dead peoples unfair lives, now fair...and so on and so forth...

Let me see if I have this right:
The system in NZ, oppressing the white man...
We live in a country where the governance, judicial, educational, and most other social systems are based around a Western/Euro-centric norm, run for, by , and of mostly Western/Eurocentric folks for almost 200 years.
The whole system is set up to look after you, and you're saying that it's not working for you?

[unstuck]

Let me see if I have this right:
The system in NZ, oppressing the white man...
We live in a country where the governance, judicial, educational, and most other social systems are based around a Western/Euro-centric norm, run for, by , and of mostly Western/Eurocentric folks for almost 200 years.
The whole system is set up to look after you, and you're saying that it's not working for you?

Some people will cry about any old thing.

[haydes55]

Let me see if I have this right:

The system in NZ, oppressing the white man...

We live in a country where the governance, judicial, educational, and most other social systems are based around a Western/Euro-centric norm, run for, by , and of mostly Western/Eurocentric folks for almost 200 years.

The whole system is set up to look after you, and you're saying that it's not working for you?

The colour of their skin effects their judgement how? I'm not a rich old man either, the system isn't set up for me. The system wasn't set up by me and I don't like everything about the system either. There are laws, which were the laws when I was born, the same as when a Maori boy was born the same day as me.

I'm expected to follow the same laws, and I expect the same punishment as a Maori if/when those laws are broken. The judicial system has a little thing called precedent, it means in similar cases, the decision has to be similar if not same, regardless of whether you were born of the chosen race or if you are white. If the judicial system is hard on someone, then blame their lawyer, get a new legal aid one and go to the court of appeals.

You can't claim the judicial system isn't designed to work for Maori culture. We've all seen the news stories where a Maori beats their kids to death then their family protects them and doesn't tell the police. Is that their culture? When you witness a murder just carry on with life? How about ancient Maori culture? Kill them and eat them if they piss you off? Maori people historically had no resolution system in place, disputes were settled by violence and a fair trial was unheard of until whitey came.

Try a different argument cause that's plain bullshit and you know it.