Govt-owes-us-a-living types

[haydes55]

Let me see if I have this right:

The system in NZ, oppressing the white man...

We live in a country where the governance, judicial, educational, and most other social systems are based around a Western/Euro-centric norm, run for, by , and of mostly Western/Eurocentric folks for almost 200 years.

The whole system is set up to look after you, and you're saying that it's not working for you?

Sorry, I only disproved your weak argument of judicial bias. Education, as pointed out in my previous post is actually easier for Maori.

Governance is set up for Maori, ministry of Maori affairs, Maori only seats in parliament, Maori consultation for resource consents etc. Again, there are 166 (iirc) seats that Maori can run for, and only 160 (this is just a complete guess, I've forgotten how many seats Maori get) left over for every other ethnicity in NZ.

What other social system do you want to show is biased towards Maoris as well? Fisheries is biased towards Maori. Government jobs are biased in employing a percentage of Maori which often mean white people get rejected from jobs to let lower qualified Maori take the position (police for example hire based on race). Go into WINZ and apply for benefits, you get one on one time with a WINZ worker, if you're Maori, you can get an independent consultant to help you apply for benefits and tell you what benefits you can apply for (not sure if that is nationwide, but happened at Pukekohe WINZ). Have a stay in hospital, wait for a Maori person to walk in with a clip board, they will arrange childcare, transport for children to get to school, food parcels, help with rent etc.... If you are Maori.

But nooooo us whiteys are oppressing Maori. The most racist people in this country are Maori and politicians who allow it.

[Shadowjack]

The topic of this thread was Govt-owes-us-a-living types.

You're starting to sound like you think the Govt should be doing more for you. Why would you want to depend on the Govt for your wellbeing.

[R650R]

Governance is set up for Maori, ministry of Maori affairs, Maori only seats in parliament, Maori consultation for resource consents etc. Again, there are 166 (iirc) seats that Maori can run for, and only 160...

Have a stay in hospital, wait for a Maori person to walk in with a clip board, they will arrange childcare, transport for children to get to school, food parcels, help with rent etc.... If you are Maori.

So how's that chance at 166 seats in the house working out for Maori representation then? Last time I bothered to watch the circus there were bugger all Maori MPs in parliament....

When my pakeha Dad was in hospital with Cancer our pakeha family got all those things you mention. A social worker and the hospital staff arranged all the assistance options available, hospice accommodation, family accommodation and handicap parking permit etc... There were people from all backgrounds in that ward and nobody got any extra or any less...

[haydes55]

So how's that chance at 166 seats in the house working out for Maori representation then? Last time I bothered to watch the circus there were bugger all Maori MPs in parliament....



When my pakeha Dad was in hospital with Cancer our pakeha family got all those things you mention. A social worker and the hospital staff arranged all the assistance options available, hospice accommodation, family accommodation and handicap parking permit etc... There were people from all backgrounds in that ward and nobody got any extra or any less...

Could be due to less Maori actually caring about voting. Could be due to the Maori who are in parliament are only 1/16th maori and don't physically look dark.

I was talking with a man who was darker skinned, but not Maori, a young Maori man came into his ward in hospital, offered him anything and everything to help him, then asked what his tribe was... When he said he wasn't Maori, the guy left and he got nothing. The difference there was he wasn't terminal, everyone with a terminal illness gets a social worker to help, but if you are in there with a broken pelvis, good luck getting as much as a cheeseburger unless you're the special colour.

[Berries]

there's no "african race" as there's no "azn race"

It's the Amazing Race you disleksic twat.

[Maki]

The amazing racist

[Akzle]

Sorry, I only disproved your weak argument of judicial bias. Education, as pointed out in my previous post is actually easier for Maori.

Governance is set up for Maori, ministry of Maori affairs, Maori only seats in parliament, Maori consultation for resource consents etc. Again, there are 166 (iirc) seats that Maori can run for, and only 160 (this is just a complete guess, I've forgotten how many seats Maori get) left over for every other ethnicity in NZ.

What other social system do you want to show is biased towards Maoris as well? Fisheries is biased towards Maori. Government jobs are biased in employing a percentage of Maori which often mean white people get rejected from jobs to let lower qualified Maori take the position (police for example hire based on race). Go into WINZ and apply for benefits, you get one on one time with a WINZ worker, if you're Maori, you can get an independent consultant to help you apply for benefits and tell you what benefits you can apply for (not sure if that is nationwide, but happened at Pukekohe WINZ). Have a stay in hospital, wait for a Maori person to walk in with a clip board, they will arrange childcare, transport for children to get to school, food parcels, help with rent etc.... If you are Maori.

But nooooo us whiteys are oppressing Maori. The most racist people in this country are Maori and politicians who allow it.

take your white buddies, your white politicians, your white cops, your white society, AND FUCK OFF then.

[Banditbandit]

NZ is backward and racist. Anyone who doubts those words, please read this thread.

If you still doubt these words, look at the wording for the NZ census. There is a race option there called European New Zealander. There is however no option for Asian New Zealander, African New Zealander, etc. Clearly biased and racist.

You still think NZ is not racist? Try doing anything in NZ. You can not move an inch without declaring on some form or other what your race is.

If you ask me, it is disgusting and we should put this race garbage behind us once and for all. I would forbid any question regarding race on any form whatsoever if I where in charge of this country. It is time to get over it.

I'm inclined to agree with you.

"Race" is not a valid construct. There is no biological way to define the concept, as the genetic differences between groups of people are less than 1% of the genotype - which results in the differences in phenotype ...

As well, how is this very minor genetic variation significant? It does not affect intelligence, etc etc. The range of these things within what we term "race" is the same across all groups - with the addition that there is a very good argument that the hunter-gatherers and nomadic people are more intelligent that the European races. (It's not necessarily an argument I agree with, but it is amusing).

But why does skin colour, or eye colour, straightness of hair, etc etc matter? There's a whole bunch of racist history around, which should be consigned to history and we should all get over it ...

Culture - now there is something that does matter. But race? Forget it ..

[unstuck]

There's a whole bunch of racist history around, which should be consigned to history and we should all get over it ...

Culture - now there is something that does matter. But race? Forget it ..

[Oscar]

take your white buddies, your white politicians, your white cops, your white society, AND FUCK OFF then.

Why don't you make us?

[haydes55]

take your white buddies, your white politicians, your white cops, your white society, AND FUCK OFF then.

Am I taking the Asian politicians, cops and friends with me? What about the Maori politicians and cops? How about the Africans? Should I invite the left handed politicians as well? What about the Scottish judges?

We can fuck of to NZ and carry on our life in a civilised matter while the Maori separatists can fuck off to their own grass huts and society where they solve every issue with violence. If you choose to join the separatist society, you are a very hard person to like, and with the traditional Maori judicial system you mightn't live long. Fuck, you mightn't even get a trial before they deal tour punishment, but that's how Maori want the judicial system to be like right?

[Robert Taylor]

take your white buddies, your white politicians, your white cops, your white society, AND FUCK OFF then.

Well , you've certainly given an insight into your pedigree given your offensive tone of voice.

If all of the Europeans depart then so should all the trappings of European civilisation that you have become so comfortable with, including your keyboard.

[Oscar]

If all of the Europeans depart then so should all the trappings of European civilistaion that you have become so comfortable with, including your keyboard.

To be fair, he does struggle to make himself understood, so the keyboard (or maybe the five years he spent in Standard Four) is failing him anyway...

[Robert Taylor]

Just a timely reminder why it's not cool to vote for any of the Left wing / racist parties in the forthcoming general election

[Robert Taylor]

To be fair, he does struggle to make himself understood, so the keyboard (or maybe the five years he spent in Standard Four) is failing him anyway...

Yes but they could have been the five best years of his life...............