Govt-owes-us-a-living types

[Robert Taylor]

Get that colour blindness treated ... it's obviously bugging you as much as it is for us ...

The racial history of your grand children should be of little importance .. yet their possible future views seem to be bugging you. Have you no faith their parents will bring them up with your point of view in mind. You DID bring them up right ... didn't you .. ??



Has the Swedish Government such a process open to you ... ??? and if they do ... that WOULD be your right.



Follow your own advice and get over it. The Settlements were through due process as written in New Zealand legislation. By elected (by the people) members or our Government.

If a larger proportion of the General public actually voted ... there might be changes. Many don't ... and all vying for election are aware of that.

If you want the system changed ... take more of a part of it ... and make a difference. Or is it not worth the effort ... or not worth trying .. ??





Obviously not enormous enough ... or the change you hope for would be realized.



Some have funny ideas on how or why they should vote. But they DO vote .... as is their right. And a win is a win ...

A big change may happen if EVERY eligible person actually DID care to vote. You figure out why they didn't care ...

Yes you are correct the racial history should have no significance whatsoever, they should be treated as current day New Zealanders, nothing more nothing less.

Its important to instil a solid work ethic and that the Government or history owes you no handouts.

[Robert Taylor]

shush! that would require critical thinking and an understanding greater than that required to recognise the colours on the flags... something comrade robert seems to lack...

Comrade is a term when you are talking about communists ( and cardboard communists such as Harawira / Harre ) which most definitely I am not. As for our own National flag Im very happy that the Union flag is represented and it should jolly well stay there.

[Ocean1]

Its important to instil a solid work ethic and that the Government or history owes you no handouts.

You're showing signs that the indoctrination is begining to take effect, it's no part of anyone's business to instil anything.

What's important is that a lack of work ethic makes people hungry. Evolution got it right, why fuck with a wining formula?

[puddytat]

No, I don't think JK worries about anything on Bummer Bradbury's "Daily Blog"...it's probably just BB himself voting multiple times.

Unless you have multiple email addresses tis not possible to vote more than once.
But you should know, no doubt you have tried.

[oldrider]

You're showing signs that the indoctrination is begining to take effect, it's no part of anyone's business to instil anything.

What's important is that a lack of work ethic makes people hungry. Evolution got it right, why fuck with a wining formula?

It's my individual right to choose to be hungry it only becomes your right to have an interest in my decision if I accept your charity!

The indoctrination of the left is that I/we belong to the state and that I will accept the charity of the state whether I like/want it or not!

The state then steals (extorts) the money off taxpayers (virtually at gun point) to pay for my apparent foolishness!

Fuck the state I can make my own decisions without their forced and unwanted help!

[Akzle]

oh chortle, this will get you cunts foaming at the nose.

http://salient.org.nz/features/how-to-rip-off-winz

[MisterD]

Unless you have multiple email addresses tis not possible to vote more than once.
But you should know, no doubt you have tried.

Hell no, wouldn't want my clicks to boost that idiot's stats, but I can't think of any other reason why Mana would rank #1 on the #3 left-leaning blog.

[pritch]

The funniest/saddest thing about that old Salient item is the appallingly low standard of written expression by those making comments, most of whom couldn't even spell.
And they were going to university?

[Oscar]

I would love it if I knew politicians policies before voting, who knew a vote for John Key was a vote for selling off SOEs?

Which rock have you been living under for the past six years?

[SPman]

"Those who won't learn from history are doomed to repeat it!"

Some of you should read this book......

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Harrys-Last-...9;s+last+stand

[Banditbandit]

Another interesting question.
Why are we happy to share in MOST of these advances?

The western world did not "share" the advances - they SOLD them - at a huge, and continuing benefit to the western world - i.e. people got and still get shit loads of money ...

So how do they prove if you are a maori, and where do I apply?

You need a signature from two kaumatua from your iwi who acknowledge that you are descended from a Maori person, and you need the ancestral chart to show the relationship (I didn't make the rules ...)

anybody care to bet what flavour the two kids that killed the shopkeeper were, im picking they come from a long line of people who feel they are owed a living by the govt

Why does the "flavour" matter .. they are kids and they have fucked up big time ...

He's a "victim of colonisation", move along and pass the tax dollars.

Piss off - I will not accept that bullshit (and I can get two kaumatua to sign me off ) Wrong is Wrong - "victim of colonisation" MAY be a reason but it is NEVER an excuse ... poor parenting is also a reason - but never an excuse ...

Reasons tell us how to deal with the issues and problems, excuses try to say it is not bad behaviour ... there is no excuse for random murder or murder during a robbery, or robbery ,.. or any crime ... They did very bad - there are no acceptable excuses.

We deal with the issues by doing better in the future. Excuses MIGHT provide mitigating circumstances, but "victims of colonization" or not, lock up the little shits .. and then try to deal with the reasons ... .

[Banditbandit]

Personally I am colour blind to the reality that I have two grandchildren with part Maori blood, the other part mostly European. I will be very concerned if as they grow they partake of the toxicity that we have increasingly in evidence that the white man owes ( for evermore ) the peoples that were here when NZ was discovered by Europeans. As to actually who was here first and what fate they suffered with no recompense is of course a subject that is conveniently sidelined.

Do you fear that your own chidren will not bring them up properly ???

Maybe I should claim back to the Swedish Government for pillaging and murder they committed against several of my Danish ancestors when Sweden had a large Scandinavian empire a few centuries back. Its a cultural thing that has scarred me!!!!

Yes and many of us have ancestors who came here as a result of the events in Europe. I have ancestors from Ireland and Scotland who fled the troubles, the famine, the land clearances ... So, my Māori ancestors, my Scottish Ancestors and my Irish ancestors all got shat on .. Hello - welcome to the power structures !!!

But yes, some of the current asnd recent disoutes in Europe have been based on grievances hundreds of years old 0- Ireland (back to Cromwell and further) The Balkans (the Turkish invasion 400 years ago ) and on and on ... People seem to find it hard to leave the past behind ...

Like most people who dont accept this rort that is happening I have far more respect for those who get on with life, make their own way in the world and are an economic success by means that are fair and productive, rather than speculative or expecting taxpayer funded handouts. No rorts at any level or sector of society tolerated, as a clarification independent of race based rorts

And the vast majority of Māori are doing just that ... but you only see what's in the media . the vast amount of normal life, people just getting on with it, does not make the headlines because it is boring news ... "Today, hundreds of thousands of people got on with their lives' will never be a headline.

Relying on the media gives you a distorted view ...

And let's see .. people are helped "as they need" so people with asthma, with diabetes, with a range of chronic illnesses al get hand-outs from the Government that I don't get .. Can I yell RORT ? It's a health-based rort .. it should stop .. healthy people are being taxed to give handouts to the chronically sick (did you know that long term addicts get on the sickness benefit ?? What a rort .. it's their fault they are addicts and yet we pay them to do nothing but get high !!!!)

Just in case you miss the point, to me it's the same thing - needs based assistance.

he silly thing is that in respect of all of these multi million dollar settlements ( and future ''full and final'' settlements ) the people that really need the benefits are in fact getting little.

Yes. That pissess me off too - some people are getting fat and prosperous out of the treaty claims, but the people who need it stay fucked .. that's OUR issue ... butt out!!!

Those locked in a narrow minded attitude of the oppressed ( so called ) indigenous people and the evil white men may choose to call me and like minded people racist. I dont care about that and the reality is that an enormous number of ordinary everyday Kiwis of many ethnic backgrounds are increasingly concerned about this fraud that is happening

Yes. Count this little boy from up the river in that group. Our issue - Butt out.

That a National Government is just as complicit in this nonsense is of major concern but the thought of a left wing grouping doesnt bear thinking about.

Hmm .. interesting. Did you now that almost all the treaty claims settled have been done so by the Nats, and BUGGER all from that bunch of frauds called Labour .. The Nats make al the wrong noises (from our point of view) but do right things - Labour makes all the right noises and does fucking nothing !!! Labour should not scare you on these issues (Labour scares the fuck out of me on these issues. )

Personally I think John Key should go to the country on the premise of instant termination of all settlements and some retrospective payback required , rechanneled to those who need the help most,

Hmm .. I'm prepared to entertain that suggestion, but I am not yet ready to fully support it. My issue is that if you go down that path then the Great White Father (Government) decides, once again, how best to help Māori .. it smacks of a colonial attitude.

plus termination of all race based parliamentary seats and also of unelected and over represented Iwi in local body politics.

I worry about that suggestion - population and demographic changes mean that in the lifetime of your grandchildren the majority population will be us brown fellas .. and NZ will have a parliament of brown people only ... in that case the remaining "white" (I use the word guardedly hence the quote marks) may well be asking for special seats ... but will have no base for an argument as "race-based seats will have been dumped - why bring them back?

People should be elected on merit, not colour.

Bwhahahahaha . the only factor in gettignelected is electability - merit has NEVER come into it ... (and I would violently oppose a meritocracy )

If JK did this he would win by a landslide.

I'm not so sure - the majority of people in Godzone have mostly voted left - but the left vote is split allowing the right wing majority to win power by voting for one party ...

[Drew]

God this thread is fucken boring.

Oi Bandit, regale us with more of those tales about how the Maori ended up coming to NZ. (I think it was you that told us last time). That's a fucken AWESOME story.

[oldrider]

There are no "victims" of colonisation .. there is just "us" .... it's what we do from here on in that actually matters! ... Hope rules eternal!

[Banditbandit]

God this thread is fucken boring.

Yeah - I stopped participating - but I think Robert deserves a response ... I can't be bothered engaging the rest.

Oi Bandit, regale us with more of those tales about how the Maori ended up coming to NZ. (I think it was you that told us last time). That's a fucken AWESOME story.

Not the place ... but thanks for the request.