Vic Motorcycle Club committee meetings?

[Bert]

Conflicting info in a situation like this is normal, think I'll come along to riders briefing from now on and eliminate the Chinese whispers effect.

I think there would be advantage in the briefing was written, and everyone went through it together with someone from the club reading it and and explaining stuff.

More the merrier I say.
And like always any input into the processes (prior to meeting/event) to improve riders understanding the better.
It's always difficult at the heat of the moment to make the right choice compounded if it's not sunk in from the briefing first thing that day...

Yea I tend to agree with you on the written briefing documentation.
It clear that some riders aren't reading the info and expectations when they sign up for events. Nor read MOMS and their requirements and obligations...
Riders briefing should be about considerations for the day, not a lecture series on how one should conduct oneself to signed rules etc. the mere fact that every briefing we have to go over flags and conduct is shocking....

Those riders that have read the requirement and don't understand or require clarity or application; tend to ask questions.

Having been at riders briefings for 20 odd years it's obvious those steering at there feet or counting the nails in the cross beam either know everything well or have know idea at all.... The second lot are the ones that we need to focus on, in reality they shouldn't be out there...

[Drew]

yea, english is difficult for some of us to understand

Fuck up Shaun, the adults are talking.

More the merrier I say.
And like always any input into the processes (prior to meeting/event) to improve riders understanding the better.
It's always difficult at the heat of the moment to make the right choice compounded if it's not sunk in from the briefing first thing that day...

Yea I tend to agree with you on the written briefing documentation.
It clear that some riders aren't reading the info and expectations when they sign up for events. Nor read MOMS and their requirements and obligations... Riders briefing should be about considerations for the day not a lecture series on how one should conduct oneself to signed rules etc. the mere fact that every briefing we have to go over flags and conduct is shocking....

Fully. Flags should be completely understood before anyone is even at the track.

I agree with what a few people have said. An actual test to see if the rules are known, before licences are handed out...and day licences should chucked altogether. Unless a rider has had a proper licence in the last twelve months maybe.

[Shaun Harris]

Fuck up Shaun, the adults are talking.

Fully. Flags should be completely understood before anyone is even at the track.

I agree with what a few people have said. An actual test to see if the rules are known, before licences are handed out...and day licences should chucked altogether. Unless a rider has had a proper licence in the last twelve months maybe.

wow, we actually agree on some thing, a Proper witnesed written test for a race licence I think is best

[Bert]

Fully. Flags should be completely understood before anyone is even at the track.

I agree with what a few people have said. An actual test to see if the rules are known, before licences are handed out...and day licences should chucked altogether. Unless a rider has had a proper licence in the last twelve months maybe.

It's a real tough one really. The maturity of understanding is reflected in the generational steps. Very evident in the slow but steady destruction of the NZ education system.
I guess this is why we really need a buddy/mentoring system in place; not just at VMCC but throughout NZ.
And really need to look at how newbies and returning riders are introduced. I know it weighs heavily on those running events and critical members at MNZ (despite what is said)..

Personally,
I see no choice but to introduce tiered licenceing. And clear process of signing off of new riders.
And no new rider should be on track on +600 cc bike without some serious application/consideration blabla something.. (read not protwins/superlite 650)..
But whom pays for the time and effort?.. And we still need the BlaBla something and a watertight MOMS...

Back to rider briefing written documentation.
If the rider brief document (all be it without the on the day considerations).
Maybe it should be a requirement for each rider to print off it off and bring it to the briefing meeting with a pen? (Club can supply spares at a cost for fundraising). Then each clause/consideration could be signed off by each rider then as it is discussed... And then attach it to their fire extinguisher,, thus knowing that everything is in check...

[jellywrestler]

Was the wrong call, told Monique she was fucken wrong.

so was Monique the riders rep then?

[Drew]

I really don't know about the mentoring thing. Christ, how many of us at the track are fluent in the rules pertaining to the class we run in, let alone a second? Am I wrong in wondering if it's not just another case of kids being vaginarised and not needing to put in the effort themselves?

The driven ones, will seek out required guidance from those they admire. Those are the ones that are going to be good. There is the occasional exception with unreal talent who goes out and wins, but I can think of three of them right now that amounted to fuck all anyway.

[Shaun Harris]

It's a real tough one really. The maturity of understanding is reflected in the generational steps. Very evident in the slow but steady destruction of the NZ education system.
I guess this is why we really need a buddy/mentoring system in place; not just at VMCC but throughout NZ.
And really need to look at how newbies and returning riders are introduced. I know it weighs heavily on those running events and critical members at MNZ (despite what is said)..

Personally,
I see no choice but to introduce tiered licenceing. And clear process of signing off of new riders.
And no new rider should be on track on +600 cc bike without some serious application/consideration blabla something.. (read not protwins/superlite 650)..
But whom pays for the time and effort?.. And we still need the BlaBla something and a watertight MOMS...

What about applying for the sports grant through MNZ of approx $20-000 to devide up between the clubs to help cover costs for safety training programmes

[Drew]

so was Monique the riders rep then?

Na, head honcho.

There was nothing to talk to the riders rep about. He was going home for one infraction or the other.

[jellywrestler]

Na, head honcho.

There was nothing to talk to the riders rep about. He was going home for one infraction or the other.

Just what they need, poorly informed chimps bickering the head of the show why they've got a job to not only run the meeting but ensure everyone gets home with minimal injuries.

[Bert]

I really don't know about the mentoring thing. Christ, how many of us at the track are fluent in the rules pertaining to the class we run in, let alone a second? Am I wrong in wondering if it's not just another case of kids being vaginarised and not needing to put in the effort themselves?

The driven ones, will seek out required guidance from those they admire. Those are the ones that are going to be good. There is the occasional exception with unreal talent who goes out and wins, but I can think of three of them right now that amounted to fuck all anyway.

Yes and no.
There are obligations and rules that one needs to be fluent in, others ones having read the rules one should be able to locate which section they turn to too answer the difficult questions. My MOMS is covered in post-it notes.
As a wise man once said the only way to cheat is to know the rules and loopholes... Not that I've ever benefitted from this.

I believe mentoring is about empowering those people in many ways, how to act, ride, fix shit etc...
Yes resolving vaginarisation but no real difference to now life has worked for hundreds of years. Someone has to standup and step forward and take a lead.

What about applying for the sports grant through MNZ of approx $20-000 to devide up between the clubs to help cover costs for safety training programmes

To be fair, yes that is what is needed. But i think 20k isn't enough to resolve the problem or even help in the mitigation.... More discussion is needed

[Drew]

Just what they need, poorly informed chimps bickering the head of the show why they've got a job to not only run the meeting but ensure everyone gets home with minimal injuries.

Not how it went down bro. Friendly chat we had at lunch time, as I was saying goodby and going home.

[Billy]

Just what they need, poorly informed chimps bickering the head of the show why they've got a job to not only run the meeting but ensure everyone gets home with minimal injuries.

Too true,

The vic club generally have a sign stationed on the stairwell stating that entry to race control is for officials ONLY,So to recap,This competitor put the wellbeing of his fellow competitors at risk on 3 seperate occassions?????

I hope it's in the stewards report.

GOOD LUCK with the graduated licence and let me know where and when you want the template I have on file sent,Apparently it is not required and would make it too hard for new entrants,Ironic really that the system we currently use IE NOTHING,Helps people leave the sport in a tragic manner.

[Billy]

Not how it went down bro. Friendly chat we had at lunch time, as I was saying goodby and going home.

In that case,

Make that 2 occassions,My humblest apologies,Never the less,Both of the other 2 could have ended in a fatality.

[Drew]

Too true,

The vic club generally have a sign stationed on the stairwell stating that entry to race control is for officials ONLY,So to recap,This competitor put the wellbeing of his fellow competitors at risk on 3 seperate occassions?????

I hope it's in the stewards report.

GOOD LUCK with the graduated licence and let me know where and when you want the template I have on file sent,Apparently it is not required and would make it too hard for new entrants,Ironic really that the system we currently use IE NOTHING,Helps people leave the sport in a tragic manner.

As I have pointed out, that is not how it went down.

I was directed to race control, to retrieve Stevie's license. That is all I tried to do there, I did not engage anyone official until they engaged me.

He endangered no one by crossing the track, the crash recovery buggy was on track and all moving bikes had left.

I felt he didn't get off the track soon enough, though Monique (who made the call to remove him from the event) felt he was all good in how he went about continuing to the slip road.

I was pitting for Mark the day he died, you might recall. It's something I feel I have too much personal knowledge of the results of not doing it.

[jellywrestler]

Was the wrong call, told Monique she was fucken wrong.

Not how it went down bro. Friendly chat we had at lunch time

From here it certainly looks so....