NZ national motorcycle road racers' association?

[RobGassit]

In light of both recent and historic events relating to how,when and where the National NZSBK, GP and TT Championships are conducted, is it time for the National Level Riders and Team Owners to form an association to protect their collaberative interests?

This could be as simple as a Moderated FaceBook page or a full Association Level Group which would, as a collective, negotiate with MNZ on matters relating to the National Championship.
An example would be the Grand Prix Drivers Association set up by Formula 1 drivers to negotiate matters of safety with the F1 owner, (Bernie Ecclestone).

As separate voices, there appears to be no one listening, but as a collective, our interests could not be routinely ignored.
If racers and team owners are financing and providing all the entertainment, why are they not in a stronger position to negotiate terms and conditions.

MNZ have recently released a survey seeking feedback for their consideration. A good start. But perhaps if the Racers had an association, we would not have to rely on MNZ internal systems to further our own concerns.

National Level Racers and Team Owners,,,, Your thoughts?

[budda]

In light of both recent and historic events relating to how,when and where the National NZSBK, GP and TT Championships are conducted, is it time for the National Level Riders and Team Owners to form an association to protect their collaberative interests?

This could be as simple as a Moderated FaceBook page or a full Association Level Group which would, as a collective, negotiate with MNZ on matters relating to the National Championship.
An example would be the Grand Prix Drivers Association set up by Formula 1 drivers to negotiate matters of safety with the F1 owner, (Bernie Ecclestone).

As separate voices, there appears to be no one listening, but as a collective, our interests could not be routinely ignored.
If racers and team owners are financing and providing all the entertainment, why are they not in a stronger position to negotiate terms and conditions.

MNZ have recently released a survey seeking feedback for their consideration. A good start. But perhaps if the Racers had an association, we would not have to rely on MNZ internal systems to further our own concerns.

National Level Racers and Team Owners,,,, Your thoughts?

Definition of "National level riders " ????????????????? Ditto "Team Owners"???????????????

Worth remembering, you all already HAVE an Association - its called MNZ: just need to get involved, eh ?

[scott411]

along with budda's thoughts, the riders (liceince holders) elect the board (who appoint the commisioners) most dont bother to vote,

what do you think this new entity's roles would be? and how different from the riders rep on the day of the meeting?

[scott411]

to put something in perspective, 5 of the 6 team managers had a phone conference before and after the MX series with the Comissioner, and we all got together to put in some rule changes, you dont need a organisation if the commissioner is willing to listen,

[Mental Trousers]

MNZ members got an email from the new Road Race Commissioner today for a survey about the what we would like to see for the upcoming NZSBK series. This is a very good start for the new Commissioner, asking the members for feedback and it's something that I'd like to see continue. It's definitely a step in the right direction.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...boys-and-girls

As for what RobGassit is talking about, I believe an analogy would be a workers Union. The current and previous Commissioners have been getting things going in the right direction so I would rather wait and see how things go. Change takes time and there's been plenty of changes in MNZ recently, hopefully with more to come.

[Drew]

Only problem with the poll on MNZ website. You don't have to be a license holder to vote.

[Robert Taylor]

In light of both recent and historic events relating to how,when and where the National NZSBK, GP and TT Championships are conducted, is it time for the National Level Riders and Team Owners to form an association to protect their collaberative interests?

This could be as simple as a Moderated FaceBook page or a full Association Level Group which would, as a collective, negotiate with MNZ on matters relating to the National Championship.
An example would be the Grand Prix Drivers Association set up by Formula 1 drivers to negotiate matters of safety with the F1 owner, (Bernie Ecclestone).

As separate voices, there appears to be no one listening, but as a collective, our interests could not be routinely ignored.
If racers and team owners are financing and providing all the entertainment, why are they not in a stronger position to negotiate terms and conditions.

MNZ have recently released a survey seeking feedback for their consideration. A good start. But perhaps if the Racers had an association, we would not have to rely on MNZ internal systems to further our own concerns.

National Level Racers and Team Owners,,,, Your thoughts?

By definition then as one of the very biggest bill payers Suzuki NZ should have a major say in what goes on.

[RobGassit]

By definition then as one of the very biggest bill payers Suzuki NZ should have a major say in what goes on.

If they qualified for membership, They would get one vote, as per all members.

[nodrog:Me]

Only problem with the poll on MNZ website. You don't have to be a license holder to vote.

and you can vote multiple times from multiple devices.

[sidecar bob]

By definition then as one of the very biggest bill payers Suzuki NZ should have a major say in what goes on.

So the more you pay the more say you get?? Interesting concept. Does it have to be publicly flaunted obvious money, or does anonomys support also get you a bigger slice of the pie?

[Billy]

So the more you pay the more say you get?? Interesting concept. Does it have to be publicly flaunted obvious money, or does anonomys support also get you a bigger slice of the pie?

Thank fuck somebody else answered that and very politely to I thought

[Robert Taylor]

To not put too fine a point on it if Suzuki NZ immediately pulled out ALL of their substanial direct and indirect support the sport would be in a very sorry state. So much, this support gets taken for granted. We should embrace their huge support and if that means they have a bigger say, then so be it.
The number of rounds for the Nationals should also be firmly capped at 4 with no double headers / extra days of racing. This to keep the costs at a sensible level, also for the sponsors ( like SNZ as one big example ) whom I expect their support gets taken for granted when members vote for more racing. ''The cow will only deliver so much milk'' and should'nt be asked for more. ( Americas cup funding springs to mind )
The reality check is ''who is paying for all of this and will they continue to be happy paying?" Its all very well having champagne tastes with a wish to consume more but you have to have the income stream or support to fund it.
Sponsorship money was a few years back flowing freely but given the scare of the recession and in spite of the economy picking up many potential sponsors are a hell of a lot more reticent and frugal about splashing money around. So extra tyres, accomodation , meals , conveyance costs and engine wear from having more racing impacts on end costs quite substanially. Not to mention downtime when employers may need you most and using holiday allocations up while marshalling on cold corners etc. There are limits
Its a matter of keeping things at a realistic and sustainable level.

[Shaun Harris]

I am quite comfortable with the Fact that Suzuki can speak for them self on this issue Robert if they feel the need to tell eveyone how they feel about it

[Kickaha]

The number of rounds for the Nationals should also be firmly capped at 4 with no double headers / extra days of racing. This to keep the costs at a sensible level

I agree with the 4 rounds and although I originally thought it was a crap idea I didn't mind the extra day at Manfield

I am quite comfortable with the Fact that Suzuki can speak for them self on this issue Robert if they feel the need to tell eveyone how they feel about it

He didn't say they couldn't, nor did he say he was speaking for them

[Kickaha]

Only problem with the poll on MNZ website. You don't have to be a license holder to vote.

I don't have a problem with that as there are a lot of other people involved like pit crew and sponsors who attend these events